Belle

[midnight dreary]

HEY HEY HEY! No more talking about fans or ships. They tend to be extremely divisive and stressful. We’re all family here. 😀

Now, onto discussing the wonderul character of Belle. 😀

Is anyone else concerned about Belle’s current mental state? Aside from the obvious dilema of her being in an asylum, I have a feeling she may be brainwashed. 😯 I think Regina may have brainwashed Belle to hate Rumpel. But then again, that wouldn’t make much sense. Wouldn’t it be in Regina’s best interest to make sure that Belle’s feelings for Rumpel are still intact so that she could kiss him and destroy his power?

[darcyfarrow]

Good point, Midnight Dreary; after 3 decades of never knowing another person besides Nurse Ironpants, and being pumped full of drugs, Belle’s going to have a long way to go before she’s ready for a romance. So I don’t think Regina is planning to manipulate Gold by controlling Belle emotionally; I think it’s Belle’s life that Regina will threaten. And since Regina can only play that card once, she will save it for the final showdown. I think Regina won’t try the kiss gambit twice; she’s too smart for that.

[killianhookfan]

I kind of had the impression that Belle understood who her captor was when Regina was peering at her from outside the door of her “cell” in the looney bin. It looked like there was a look of hatred on Belle’s face when she saw Regina. Now that doesn’t necessarily mean she knows who she is – it could just mean that she hates being locked up and assumes that Regina has something to do with it since presumably Regina has been peering in at her before.

Also, do we know that kissing would be a problem for Mr. Gold and “Belle” in SB? Since Mr. Gold’s status and power in SB seems to be tied to the promises the EQ made to Rumple when he was locked up in his special prison in FTL – for comfort and power, etc. – and not to when he became the Dark One it doesn’t seem to me that kissing him would have any effect on him in SB. If that was the case then kissing should have effected David and MM in SB – which it didn’t. If kissing Mr. Gold were to break a curse – then wouldn’t it be the Dark Curse that the EQ enacted that would be broken?? And I think that we have already proven that kissing doesn’t work on that curse. So I don’t think we have to worry about Belle and Mr. Gold not being able to kiss (please, GOD, let us not have to worry about Belle and Mr. Gold not being able to kiss.)

[obisgirl]

I actually had the opposite impression of that scene. I mean, the nurse said no one comes to see her, ever. I guess Regina comes in to check up on Belle from time to time but doesn’t make a daily routine of it. So maybe that was the first time Regina came to see Belle?

It all hangs on whether Belle actually remembers or not because we still don’t know if she does. But in all likelihood, since she is in an insane asylum, so she probably remembers something. But what is that something she remembers?

On True Love’s kiss, I’m not entirely convinced if Belle and Gold kiss in Storybrooke, that will break his curse. I mean, we haven’t really seen Gold use magic. So maybe they can kiss without repercussions. 😀
which is good for me since I am a rumpbelle ‘shipper.

[darcyfarrow]

By “the kiss gambit” I mean the idea that falling in love would make Rumple/Gold weak, take away his will to fight. But I think Regina realizes she can’t manipulate Belle emotionally again–Belle is too fragile to be effectively controlled. So to use Belle to control Gold, Regina will have to threaten Belle’s life. And she can only play that card once, because as soon as Belle is safe, Gold will come tearing after Regina, so the stakes are going to have to be huge, like a last-ditch effort for Regina to escape. Whichever way it goes, I’m thinking we won’t se the Rumbelle reunion until the final season…but I’m counting on that reunion kiss. As with Lost, I can live with an ending that doesn’t answer all the series’ questions, as long as the characters get their loved ones back and find peace.

[obisgirl]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Is anyone else concerned about Belle’s current mental state? Aside from the obvious dilemma of her being in an asylum, I have a feeling she may be brainwashed. 😯 I think Regina may have brainwashed Belle to hate Rumpel. But then again, that wouldn’t make much sense.

I read a fanfic about this awhile back on livejournal and it would make sense for Regina to brainwash Belle into hating Mr. Gold because there are no happy endings in Storybrooke. We all know how selfish Regina is — I could see her making sure even her “frenemy” Mr. Gold doesn’t get his happy ending.

[Phee]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

(please, GOD, let us not have to worry about Belle and Mr. Gold not being able to kiss.)

😆

@obisgirl wrote:

On True Love’s kiss, I’m not entirely convinced if Belle and Gold kiss in Storybrooke, that will break his curse.

I’d guess that if any kiss was going to break the curse, it’d be David and Mary’s, or more specifically, Charming and Snow’s. As we learned in “Heart of Darkness”, you can’t have true love’s kiss if the participants aren’t aware of who they are, so that’s why nothing happened when David and Mary made out. I doubt it’d change anything if Gold and Belle kissed, because it wasn’t their love that went into creating the curse.

@darcyfarrow wrote:

By “the kiss gambit” I mean the idea that falling in love would make Rumple/Gold weak, take away his will to fight.

On the contrary, I suspect bringing back his love would make him all the more powerful and determined. Might throw him for a loop at first, but once he was over the shock…look out Regina, coz there’ll be hell to pay. Surely she’s aware of this, so has been keeping Belle a secret and will only reveal her under some circumstance that’s been carefully orchestrated.

[midnight dreary]

I actually think Belle would help motivate Mr. Gold to accomplish whatever he’s trying to accomplish. However, it’s tricky. Love tends to…what’s the word…unhinge people. So, Mr. Gold is going to have to be very careful. Which is why I partially support his new “alliance” with Regina. If he’s able to infiltrate the inner workings of Regina’s plan, as well as gain her trust, then he’ll have the upper hand. Besides, I kind of think he already has the upper hand. It’s his curse. It’s his creation. And there’s also the possibility that Rumpel gave Regina the wrong ingredients to the curse.

I have a theory that True Love was the key ingredient in the curse, not the heart of someone you love. Regina did manage to cast a curse, but maybe it was the wrong curse, or a different curse. Something obviously went wrong because people keep remembering who they are. Even before Emma came into town. The Mad Hatter, Henry, and possibly Belle. I think Regina miscast the curse.

God, I love that Rumpel. 😆

[hjbau]

I don’t think Regina would need to brainwash Belle into hating Gold. What he did to her was enough for her to not go back to him. I wouldn’t go back to a guy who acted like. He is too erratic and completely flipped out and even though he felt sorry about it afterwards i really think he would do it again. I mean look at what he did to Belle’s father.

[midnight dreary]

@hjbau wrote:

I don’t think Regina would need to brainwash Belle into hating Gold. What he did to her was enough for her to not go back to him. I wouldn’t go back to a guy who acted like. He is too erratic and completely flipped out and even though he felt sorry about it afterwards i really think he would do it again. I mean look at what he did to Belle’s father.

Hmm, it depends on how you see it. Belle’s final words to Rumpel seemed to be that of regret and longing. She tried to convince Rumpel to let her stay and give her another chance. So, she seemed to be still in love with him. And if that’s the case, then Regina will need to brainwash her.

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