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Will TLK work on Emma though? They’ve kind of played fast and loose with that. It started to work in 1×12, but ever since Belle and Rumple were reunited in 1×22 their kisses have not broken the curse. I suppose one could argue Rumple hasn’t fully loved her since then, but still, having Henry or Hook kiss Emma to break the Dark One Curse is way too easy.
[adrotate group="5"]Will TLK work on Emma though? They’ve kind of played fast and loose with that. It started to work in 1×12, but ever since Belle and Rumple were reunited in 1×22 their kisses have not broken the curse. I suppose one could argue Rumple hasn’t fully loved her since then, but still, having Henry or Hook kiss Emma to break the Dark One Curse is way too easy.
Perhaps but A and E like their parallels. Given that 511 is (I believe) the 100th episode, A and E would see it as being a rich way to bring their story to a circular close (in a way; obviously we’d have another half season at least of OUAT). Emma saved Henry with a TLK in 122, someone saves Emma with a TLK in 511, thus closing the arc of Dark! Swan.
In fact, I believe they’ll even have the similar dialogue. There’s a reason why they didn’t have Hook say ILY back to Emma in 422 and it’s because they want the impact for 511. So, basically Emma will probably be super duper dark, Hook decides he doesn’t care, if she’s going to destroy the world or whatever he’ll die alongside her (cause Jane Espenson is still on the writing staff and “yellow crayon”–if you don’t get the reference, then my heart is broken and you need to spend the summer with BtVS), goes up and says “ILY Emma” (just like Emma in 122 says “I love you Henry” for the first time) kisses her, rainbows, curse broken. Circular storytelling.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Even as the Dark One, Rumple could still choose to do good, heroic things. My theory is that his original human weakness caused his evil, not any external dark force. I think Emma will be a different “Dark One” than Rumple. Don’t get me wrong. I still think she will be more quick to act on her dark impulses. She will probably kill. But being heroic to start with, I think she will be more likely to choose the heroic path.
Will TLK work on Emma though?
I was actually wondering if Emma could save herself, since she does embody true tove, the most powerful magic of all….Shouldn’t that count for something? I would’ve thought it meant she couldn’t even be cursed, because her own magic, which is the power of true love, could break any curse. But then, hey, the writers seem not to acknowledge that anymore, seeing how they didn’t even attempt to have Belle kiss Rumple as he lay dying on the floor. Instead, they introduced plot device #102.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Will TLK work on Emma though? They’ve kind of played fast and loose with that. It started to work in 1×12, but ever since Belle and Rumple were reunited in 1×22 their kisses have not broken the curse. I suppose one could argue Rumple hasn’t fully loved her since then, but still, having Henry or Hook kiss Emma to break the Dark One Curse is way too easy.
I have this ridiculous theory that because Emma is both Light and Dark magic now, she is going to eventually figure out that the difference between the two magics is more symbolic/nominal than categorical, which will enable her to bring the two into balance.
Unlike Rumple, who was an arguably good, but weak man who had no magic at all, Emma is a magical being. In this sense, Emma might overcome the darkness on her own, but not by eliminating it altogether, but by re-mooring it with the light part of her being (the whole logic that light causes objects to cast shadows, you can’t have one without the other etc). The Apprentice’s explanation about Merlin trying to fight the darkness, then containing it by tethering it to a living soul, makes me think that this is a “world out of balance” paradigm, and that the darkness had ‘come loose’ and must be returned to its proper place. That being said, I don’t think Emma will achieve this alone, I’m sure her loved ones, whoever they are in S5, will help.
On the other hand, it might be nice to see a philosophical answer to the nature of TLK, or why it works, or what counts as True Love for that matter. Otherwise it’s not much more than a plot device.
Even as the Dark One, Rumple could still choose to do good, heroic things. My theory is that his original human weakness caused his evil, not any external dark force. I think Emma will be a different “Dark One” than Rumple. Don’t get me wrong. I still think she will be more quick to act on her dark impulses. She will probably kill. But being heroic to start with, I think she will be more likely to choose the heroic path.
Rumple did try to do heroic things, it’s just that the dark curse also gave him a bit of a personality make-over, and from there he struggled between these two sides, until the darker side almost completely won. For Rumple, this was a long game, and it sounds like the DO curse eats away at the person little by little.
I think one fundamental difference between Rumple and Emma is that Rumple had very little by way of a support network whereas Emma is surrounded by people who love her and are rooting for her. Loner Emma from S1 was a very very different person. How this will play out for her in relation to the DO thing remains to be seen, but I think it’s more than personal “willpower” to be heroic, and more than “TLK.” It takes a village, as they say.
I do hope Emma poofed to Camelot, because I think she needs to meet Morgana ASAP. Honestly, if this whole Dark Swan plot comes and goes without the presence of Morgana le Fay, I’m going to see it as a gigantic missed opportunity. And not just because it’d be nice to finally get the Black Fairy and if it’s not her I fear we’re running out of options.
Morgana’s traditional backstory (with obvious variations over time) is that she was only a child when Uther started to desire her mother & waged war on her father to get Igraine. Because of Uther and Merlin, Morgana’s father was killed, her mother raped, and her family torn apart (in Malory, at the least, Morgana is one of three, and when Uther marries Igraine he marries her elder sisters off to other kings for alliances and she’s sent to a nunnery). Fact of the matter is, if the legends were about Morgana and her enemy was Uther, not Arthur, she’d very much be the hero. It’s a classic hero narrative. But she goes after blameless (for his conception at the least) Arthur, instead, so she’s a villain.
If they were to give Morgana anything resembling her classic backstory, she’d be extremely sympathetic in a certain light, and especially if they include Mordred as well and make her a mother, I feel like there’d be a genuine kinship of sorts between Dark Emma and Morgana that would be wonderful.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Question: the dagger is left lying in the road, with Emma’s name on it. Couldn’t someone–Hook, Henry, Snowing, Regina–just pick it up and summon Emma back to SB?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Question: the dagger is left lying in the road, with Emma’s name on it. Couldn’t someone–Hook, Henry, Snowing, Regina–just pick it up and summon Emma back to SB?
Not if she’s in another realm.
Question: the dagger is left lying in the road, with Emma’s name on it. Couldn’t someone–Hook, Henry, Snowing, Regina–just pick it up and summon Emma back to SB?
Not if she’s in another realm.
Has that been established in show?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Question: the dagger is left lying in the road, with Emma’s name on it. Couldn’t someone–Hook, Henry, Snowing, Regina–just pick it up and summon Emma back to SB?
Not if she’s in another realm.
Has that been established in show?
Well, essentially the dagger just forces the Dark One to teleport himself if someone summons them. And obviously it’s been established that the Dark One doesn’t have the power to cross realms just like that. Can’t order the Dark One to do something they’re unable to do.
But honestly I doubt ANY orders would work. Like, they can’t just whisper “lift your hand up” to the dagger in Storybrooke, and Emma in whatever realm she’s in would do it. Would seem a bit odd, in my opinion.
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