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Oh that’s interesting, I read that final ‘bad form’ as being directed at himself. Hook had just been having that inner discussion about whether he or Pan were good or bad form. And came to the conclusion he had bad form for wanting to have good form (he had concluded Pan had good form) So for Hook to want to be sent to the crocodile was a confirmation of his own bad form. (sorry, a bit confusing with all the ‘forms’)
I’m pretty sure it was said to Pan…earlier in the duel we get this: “Hook was fighting now without hope. That passionate breast no longer asked for life; but for one boon it craved: to see Peter show bad form before it was cold forever.” Then later it says “At last Hook had got the boon for which he craved…’Bad form,’ he cried jeeringly, and went content to the crocodile.” So his “boon” was to see Peter show bad form, and I also don’t think he would have died “content” if he himself had been showing bad form. That’s why I read it how I did, anyway. 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]Here’s a question: Pan referred to Hook as a “one-handed pirate with a drinking problem” and we have seen Hook drinking from his flask several times throughout season 3. Do you think that comment was just a throwaway line or a hint of a potential future storyline involving Hook dealing with self-image issues and alcohol addiction?
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Keeper of FelixHere’s a question: Pan referred to Hook as a “one-handed pirate with a drinking problem” and we have seen Hook drinking from his flask several times throughout season 3. Do you think that comment was just a throwaway line or a hint of a potential future storyline involving Hook dealing with self-image issues and alcohol addiction?
I guess it could be. I always just looked at it as the writers’ way of giving Hook a very ‘piratey’ crutch, as opposed to the intimation that Hook is an alcoholic/relies on alcohol. Rum/drinking is something easily associated with being a pirate, and I think that it’s more to show what bad behaviors the pirate leans on to escape. I do think if something comes along to threaten him/his loved ones he could fall back on using alcohol as a means of escape but I think if they do bring it up, it’ll be that he didn’t turn to his flask; instead he dealt with it head on. Or, it could be one of the things that ‘go’ as Killian takes Hook’s place.
I do hope we get Killian out of the pirate garb (but keep the coat!) and visually look like everyone else, but when threatened/when loved ones are threatened, we see a vicious Hook come back out, but this time instead of his motivations being the loss of a loved one or revenge, the Hook ‘persona’ is used to protect others against a big bad. I think that would be fun, and a good way to show that Hook is still alive in Killian. I also think that would be an interesting way to revisit the villain Hook without having yet another character with a redemption arc simply revert or struggle with the good vs bad in them. In S4, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Regina show she really has been redeemed while we see Rumple having to deal with the consequences of his backslide, so showing Killian be able to draw on his “Hook” persona as opposed to actually revert could be interesting.
Here’s a question: Pan referred to Hook as a “one-handed pirate with a drinking problem” and we have seen Hook drinking from his flask several times throughout season 3. Do you think that comment was just a throwaway line or a hint of a potential future storyline involving Hook dealing with self-image issues and alcohol addiction?
Now that would be interesting to see in Season 4….Hook does like to turn the flask up a bit. And it’d be funny for him to go to Archie for therapy!! Imagine that session!
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Here’s a question: Pan referred to Hook as a “one-handed pirate with a drinking problem” and we have seen Hook drinking from his flask several times throughout season 3. Do you think that comment was just a throwaway line or a hint of a potential future storyline involving Hook dealing with self-image issues and alcohol addiction?
That’s an interesting idea…I just took it as a sort of funny/sad line and yet another instance of Pan being a jerk. I never really saw Hook as being an actual alcoholic, but then I don’t know a whole lot about the subject. Besides the scene in the finale with past Hook, have we ever seen him actually drunk, or just drinking from the flask every so often?
On the self-image thing, I could probably see him having a few I’m-not-good-enough moments (either for Emma specifically or just to be accepted amongst the “good guys”), depending on what happens.
I do like the idea of Killian struggling with not feeling like he’s good enough, or not redeemed himself enough…but I want it to be an inner struggle with himself, as opposed to not feeling like he’s good enough in others’/Emma’s eyes.
I want Killian and Emma to be two completely separate individuals. The thing that I hate about Snowing is their co-dependency. So while Emma’s working on really breaking those walls down with everyone, I want to see Killian on his own path to become the person he feels has “good form” or get to a point where he actually feels he can be a “man of honor.” While, of course, kicking hiney with the others! I love their little group and they each bring their own strengths to it; so I hope that doesn’t fade in S4.
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After 300 years, the guy’s got to have a heck of a high tolerance level! (Come on, you know his crew figured out how to ferment something in NL!) I don’t think he’s necessarily an alcoholic and I’m not sure the writers would really touch on that possibility more than they have. They deal with tough, real world issues like abandonment, and abuse depending on how you see some storylines (I get the feeling some of the fans’ thoughts about Regina essentially enslaving Graham never actually crossed their minds, WAY too thought provoking), but blatantly giving any of the characters a problem like alcoholism – and having them accept/recover from it – is just a little too real world for The Boys With Shiny Toys (in my opinion).
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So tweets came out today showing what looked like the JR being reassembled. Flashback? Different ship? Is Killian going to be from Arendelle(?sp)? I also heard debate thanks to a tweet from the guy who played BB insinuating he might be back in S4…do you think they will bring him back – again, present day? Flashback? Will he and Killian have more backstory? Out of the remaining leads, Hook’s back story is one of the ones (along with Belle and actually seeing Emma’s story) that we’re most in the dark about (save for touching on his relationship with Bae and his relationship with Milah). Any thoughts we’ll see it this year? Figured I’d break out the spoiler brackets in anticipation of filming resuming!! Thank goodness!
I want Killian and Emma to be two completely separate individuals. The thing that I hate about Snowing is their co-dependency. So while Emma’s working on really breaking those walls down with everyone, I want to see Killian on his own path to become the person he feels has “good form” or get to a point where he actually feels he can be a “man of honor.” While, of course, kicking hiney with the others! I love their little group and they each bring their own strengths to it
I agree. Neither of them should loose their awesomeness just because they’re in a relationship now. Emma and Hook have strengths as characters that they shouldn’t lose.
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in regards to the spoiler
the writers SHOULD bring back The Jolly Roger. The adventure potential is too good to pass up. Hook, now that he has selflessly sacrificed so much for Emma, deserves a chance to get his ship back, preferably with Emma’s willing and eager help. If the writers don’t see fit to go that direction with all their addiction to tortured angst and the fan girly Elsa frenzy, then flashbacks using BB would be awesome. (BB was shark bait so it wouldn’t be present day with his deliciously colorful character.) And unless they plan to kill off Hook, which would be really suicidal for the series at this point, our hooked hero needs solid story lines that give the character they have developed a chance to rev up the action/adventure angle.
A&E handled Hook’s self-medicating penchant for rum with enough subtlety to avoid going into the heavy duty problem of alcoholism. It was a carefully handled commentary on Killian’s character development without getting into the deeper psychological battles of addiction. Their bread and butter is sticking with the fantasy/magic/search for love angles. They have too much of the fantasy story to tell with all the other characters as well.
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A&E handled Hook’s self-medicating penchant for rum with enough subtlety to avoid going into the heavy duty problem of alcoholism. It was a carefully handled commentary on Killian’s character development without getting into the deeper psychological battles of addiction. Their bread and butter is sticking with the fantasy/magic/search for love angles. They have too much of the fantasy story to tell with all the other characters as well.
I don’t think A&E necessarily shy away from exploring “heavy duty” problems on Once but they dress it up to keep it “family-friendly”. For example, Rumple and Regina’s relationship with magic is basically one of addiction. They go through the highs and lows of that addiction but at no point is it outright stated on the show that it is an addiction.
They could probably write Hook having an alcohol problem in the same way. They won’t throw the word “alcoholic” or “alcoholism” around but they’d plant the little signs there.
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Keeper of FelixJust want to make a quick note on spoiler since people are discussing it.
pretty sure the boat that they were putting together is NOT the JR. If you look at what we think is the front page of 401 script ( see https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/4×01-script-frontpage/ ) then you’ll see the opening act seems to be the storm at sea, with a boat being tossed around. Pretty sure that’s the boat they using in that picture. Sorry guys
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