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Let’s compare Regina’s treatment of Graham to Hook’s assault on Belle. Regina was coercing Graham into an unwanted sexual relationship by magically controlling his heart. Many have rightly called this out as rape. However, because it’s so far removed from what we commonly construe as ‘rape’ (even though it IS rape), the outcry is far less than might be expected. Contrast that with Hook striking a chained up Belle across the face. This is something that is sadly all too relatable and many people reacted with strong disgust.
I think there are two things at play here.
1. Belle is dinky and hasn’t hurt a fly at this point, she is seen as very much an innocent. (If you want your audience to hate a character, you have them go after Belle).
2. There is a double standard when it comes to violence between a man and a woman. It’s a gender inequality towards men. Boys are taught from an early age that you “don’t hit girls” but they are not taught what to do if the girls hit them. Social pressure tells them it is wrong to hit a woman/girl therefore they are unable to defend themselves. Because of this and the whole societal expectation of the role of the man, many men feel helpless especially in cases of female on male abuse. It’s also not a coincidence that certain insults aimed at men play on this gender expectation of a man’s role eg telling a bloke who shows fear to “man up” or “be a man” whereas women don’t get told to “woman up” or “be a woman”.
If Regina and Graham’s genders had been reversed and likewise with Belle and Hook, people would be a lot more up in arms about Regina than they would be with Hook.
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Keeper of FelixDoes anyone think that Hook will regain his hand at some point? I think he will, but only at the end. The hook is the defining characteristic of ‘Captain Hook the Wicked Pirate’. It symbolizes his dark past. That’s why they didn’t want him to lose it in S4; they want to play both sides of him as we’ve discussed before. But at the conclusion, they may well be happy to return his hand, thereby completing the transformation from pirate to soccer dad.
So…do people believe Hook will get his hand back? Would you want him to? What, if anything, do you think his hook symbolizes?
So…do people believe Hook will get his hand back? Would you want him to? What, if anything, do you think his hook symbolizes?
1) No I don’t think he will. At the end of the day, he’s Captain Hook of Peter Pan and however far the writers want to push that redemption, they need to keep him tied to his original mythos.
2) No I don’t want him to. First, I think there’s something disquieting saying that not being fully abled is somehow the same as being not whole or less than a “real man.” In the Apprentice episode Hook makes a comment that if his date with Emma goes well and she wants held, he needs to be able to do it with both hands. There’s just something….insulting to handicaped people with that line and train of thought.
Second, and I can’t emphasize this enough, Hook really likes his hook. Whenever he puts it on, on screen, he’s gleeful about it. He enjoys his hook. Let him enjoy it (without murder obviously)
3) To me, it represents something that many characters have touched on: once a pirate, always a pirate. It’s his link to his past, to his true nature, and to who he really is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) No I don’t think he will. At the end of the day, he’s Captain Hook of Peter Pan and however far the writers want to push that redemption, they need to keep him tied to his original mythos.
Well, another way to look at it is that OUAT’s Hook is part of Killian Jones. Killian wasn’t always a pirate, nor was he always ‘Captain Hook’. It’s a similar situation to Regina and the EQ. So their take on it could be that the mythological character is just one personality that the more human Killian took on for a while. At the end of the day, I’m interested to see whether they WILL keep him tied to his original mythos, and if not, then what the audience’s reaction will be.
2) No I don’t want him to. First, I think there’s something disquieting saying that not being fully abled is somehow the same as being not whole or less than a “real man.” In the Apprentice episode Hook makes a comment that if his date with Emma goes well and she wants held, he needs to be able to do it with both hands. There’s just something….insulting to handicaped people with that line and train of thought.
Good point. Hook is an amputee.
3) To me, it represents something that many characters have touched on: once a pirate, always a pirate. It’s his link to his past, to his true nature, and to who he really is.
Agreed. But this is exactly why I think they will give him back his hand. They’ve been pushing his so called transformation pretty hard. If they want him to settle down and play happy families with Emma, having a reminder of his pirate past will only get in the way. Yes, it’s insensitive, but that’s almost a trademark of the show by now. They’ve already taken away much of his personality in trying to get CS to work, so why not go the whole hog?
Yeah for me, if they really want to make him all good and take out his sense of mystery as far as what he’s going to do and if you can trust him, his final step in his transformation should be removing his Hook for a hand.
I don’t think Hook should lose his hook, it’s part of what makes him him. Also he tried that already and it did not go so well.
Also I think what we’re getting with Regina this year, where she tried to kill her dark EQ side, and also something Rumple said, is that the dark side is part of you. You can’t just cut it off. Hook’s hook is representative of his dark side.
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Keeper of FelixYeah for me, if they really want to make him all good and take out his sense of mystery as far as what he’s going to do and if you can trust him, his final step in his transformation should be removing his Hook for a hand.
I could see them doing it as a series finale type thing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I have nothing to add other than I completely and totally enjoyed this debate and as it seems I often do, I completely agree with Price of Magic
Yeah for me, if they really want to make him all good and take out his sense of mystery as far as what he’s going to do and if you can trust him, his final step in his transformation should be removing his Hook for a hand.
I could see them doing it as a series finale type thing.
I still think that’s an iffy message to be sending. As has been pointed out, Hook is basically an amputee. It’s seems a bit off for his happy ending to occur because he’s got all his limbs back intact even though he could be happy without the hand. It’s almost like saying that Regina can only be truly happy when she has the ability to have kids of her own.
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Keeper of FelixI still think that’s an iffy message to be sending. As has been pointed out, Hook is basically an amputee. It’s seems a bit off for his happy ending to occur because he’s got all his limbs back intact even though he could be happy without the hand. It’s almost like saying that Regina can only be truly happy when she has the ability to have kids of her own.
Oh it’s a horrible message. But when has that ever stopped OUAT?
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