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@EvilQueen wrote:
I don’t think the writers would ever think of viewers as rag dolls, in the end we are their source of income. But when they start a show with a clear idea in their mind, it’s hard to change it “because the viewers want it”, sometimes it wouldn’t make sense to the story they want to tell. I believe Once is not one of those shows that wonder in random directions according to fans’ wishes but that the writers actually have a clear idea of where they want the series to go and that they have a plan they need to stick to in order for the story to remain logical.
I agree. A good artist creates a work of art a certain way because it says what they want to say, not because they want it to be popular. If it doesn’t become popular, at least they have told the story they wanted to tell. If it does become popular, great! They will get a well-deserved reward for their work and then there will be a ton of copycat hacks producing poor copies of the same thing thing because it is popular.
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@EvilQueen wrote:
I don’t think the writers would ever think of viewers as rag dolls, in the end we are their source of income. But when they start a show with a clear idea in their mind, it’s hard to change it “because the viewers want it”, sometimes it wouldn’t make sense to the story they want to tell. I believe Once is not one of those shows that wonder in random directions according to fans’ wishes but that the writers actually have a clear idea of where they want the series to go and that they have a plan they need to stick to in order for the story to remain logical.
I agree. A good artist creates a work of art a certain way because it says what they want to say, not because they want it to be popular….
But, what good is that, if the only thing it benefits is the satisfaction of one’s vain imagination? After all, according to legend, Ceasar did play his violin while Rome burned.
Rome was oppressed by Nero. He was evil, yes, a madman, yes, but he was also a narcisist. Read up on Nero, his personality traits, and the consequences that had for Rome. Remember: Eventually, Rome fell. Not directly because of Nero, but he was a symptom of the ancient Rome’s faults, which eventually led to ancient Rome’s demise.
If more people took an interest in their history, and learned it’s lessons, this world would be a much better place, with much better people. Sadly, my point is that I’m seeing history repeat itself. Not just in this situation, but here in America with an “it’s all about me” mind set.
As it applies to this situation, though: Someone who is in an influential position (such as a show’s writer) who aims his/her goals away from success, and instead toward a treadmill of futility; the preference for one’s own vain imagination even in the face of failure is very selfish, and is also foolish.
Sorry, if I sound like a nerd. I love history.
But Nero THOUGHT of himself as an artist. There was no way he could actually ‘check’ it. He was a narcissist and a madman and that’s what makes a huge difference here. He HAD to be told he’s good. He was powerful and selfish enough to kill anyone who would say otherwise. (as for him playing the fiddle during the fire – I wouldn’t be surprised, he’s a cesear not a goddamn hero. I’m also supporting the fact that he wasn’t the one to start the fire but that it was a shear accident, the city’s architecture was doomed to end up this way sooner or later)
With TV shows the writers get much more honest response so they really know if they are doing a good job or not. True – if the show doesn’t end up going the way the MAJORITY of the viewers like it, they will have to suffer the consequences, even ceasing the show but they actually get to tell the story they wanted and they can find out exactly if others liked it as much as they did. It would be depressing to know that one cannot express what they have to say and even if this is to satisfy ‘one’s vein mind’, at least it would bring satisfaction. And the fans, well, they will always find a way – if not on the show, then off show – there are so many fanfiction sites online, they unleash writing fans’ imagination – I’d say it’s a win-win.TheBee posted this in a different thread and I thought it was appropriate to answer here.
@TheBee wrote:I’d like to see Hook become a part of the central cast. If the writers need help figuring out how to keep Hook on the show, reading some fan fiction or going to fans might jog some other great ideas.
Hook is a fun character portrayed by a pretty actor but in my mind, we need to let his story play out and get him off the show. That scene, in 2X09, does not allow for any redemption. He hit and was ready to kill a human just because they were useless to him. No matter which way you try to spin it, it is non-justified violence (granted, no violence is never ever justified in real life but we’re talking about a TV show). In comparison, I doubt Rumple and Regina go about their day killing random peasant simply because they will make no use of them. It truly pains me to say it because I liked Hook, now, no matter how much sob story you paint on him, it’s just not gonna cut it anymore. He has cross into “sociopath lad and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
That scene, in 2X09, does not allow for any redemption. He hit and was ready to kill a human just because they were useless to him. No matter which way you try to spin it, it is non-justified violence
Just because he was going to kill someone who was useless doesnt mean he cant be redeemed. And he is a villian, what do you expect? For Hook to to ask Belle, ‘Ok please dont tell anyone I asked you this’ and then just walk off.
He is a villian now, but he will be redeemed in the future.In comparison, I doubt Rumple and Regina go about their day killing random peasant simply because they will make no use of them
Oh, ok, so that makes it fine then that they killed people because they had a purpose for it. It is perfectly ok for Rumple to kill Milah because he was angry at her, and it was ok that Regina killed her own father just to cast the curse! Thats not even a reason to say he cant be redeemed! Also what about what Regina did to Graham. That was perfectly ok for Regina to control him like that because she was feeling lonely.
All the characters were redeemed out of LOVE. Hook has already developed a soft side for Emma, which will only continue to become stronger. This will force him to make the decision to either let go of the past or let go of Emma.
I just don’t understand how some people say that what Hook did was terrible and he cant be redeemed, but Regina and Rumple are saints and can be redeemed.
@Oncewatcher wrote:
I agree. A good artist creates a work of art a certain way because it says what they want to say, not because they want it to be popular….
But, what good is that, if the only thing it benefits is the satisfaction of one’s vain imagination? After all, according to legend, Ceasar did play his violin while Rome burned.[/quote]
Because as fans we should appreciate the story as a whole that wanted to tell a good story not for the sake of the whims of the studios or fans. If some of my fave characters were to meet an untimely end but in the grand scheme of this their death was more than a plot device then I would welcome it. Would I be sad? Yes. If the story would suffer without this specific turn of events then I would the writers to go with what has to be done.
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