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Fall Preview: Once Upon a Time Bosses Tease Big Identity Crises, Snow’s Secret & Rumple’s Wrath
Magic has come to Storybrooke — and ABC’s Once Upon a Time will conjure up even more fantastical drama as a result.
This Sunday at 8/7c, last season’s highest-rated new drama returns, picking up right where it left off, with Mary Margaret, David et all fully aware of their remarkable identities, Emma a full-on believer and both Mr. Gold and Mayor Regina Mills – aka Rumplestiltskin and the Evil Queen — champing at the bit to use the restored magic to their advantage.
Series cocreators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis shared with TVLine a preview of the show’s wild, new reality and how it will affect everyone, from Emma and the reunited Charmings to Ruby, Belle and seven little guys.
TVLINE | Now that the residents of Storybrooke know their true identities, what will be the first question they have?
EDDY KITSIS | I think their very first question is going to be, “Why are we still here?” Everyone naturally would assume that when the curse is broken, they’d go back to where they were, and that’s not the case. And then it just becomes a free-for-all. All of the questions that you have, they probably have. What happens now? Can we leave the city? Who did this? Why did they do this?TVLINE | So, everyone is fully cognizant of both their existences. Mary Margaret is now Snow White, but she can also teach grade-schoolers long division.
ADAM HOROWITZ | Exactly, which is to say that the 28 years of the curse remain as real to them as their prior lives in fairytale land. Hopefully, that complicates things in an interesting way.TVLINE | If Emma’s now a believer and the curse is lifted, what is your narrative engine for Season 2? What will power you through the first batch of episodes?
HOROWITZ | Part of it’s going to be how Nucky retains power over the boardwalk.
KITSIS | We’re just going to borrow from other shows.
HOROWITZ | But that’s an excellent question, and in many ways the premiere this year is a new pilot, which is to say we take this show that hopefully you enjoyed last season and spin it in a direction that is both familiar and new. The show to us was never about breaking the curse and getting memories back. It was about larger conflicts – some of which were introduced last season, and some of which we’ll introduce very soon. They will center on all of our major players from last year, and yet there are some new people coming aboard. It’s all in service of this larger story we’ve been telling, centered on Snow White, Charming, their daughter Emma and their relationship with the Queen and Rumplestiltskin.TVLINE | Is anyone in Storybrooke itching to get back to fairytale land more than others?
HOROWITZ | The reactions kind of run the gamut. Everybody is very interested in what their new circumstance means, and they also are very concerned about what the presence of magic will mean for all of their lives.
KITSIS | The seven dwarfs are a perfect example. Leroy realizes he doesn’t just have to be the loser anymore; he had a purpose [as Grumpy], to be a part of the queen’s guard. He is one of the characters who is excited to reclaim who he once was and act on that.
HOROWITZ | We’ve also got some stuff with Ruby that we’re very excited to show the audience. KITSIS | She’s another example of a character who now realizes what she once was, and how that will affect her in the way she behaves in Storybrooke will be a lot of fun. You will see a different Ruby this year.TVLINE | As Rumple unleashed the purple smoke, we saw a hint of a smirk on Regina. With magic in play, what does that rivalry look like?
KITSIS | Those two have a very complicated relationship, one that we are excited to get into. In fact, Episode 2 is going to be about how Regina met Rumple. What’s interesting is they have this weird thing where they keep f–king each other over, and yet they still seem to need each other. But Rumple knows that Belle is alive, and that Regina [imprisoned] her — and Regina enters the season not knowing that he has that piece of information. So whatever she was saving Belle for just went away, and now I have a feeling Rumple is gong to want revenge.TVLINE | What does Belle make of this situation she just stumbled into? She hasn’t really known Storybrooke.
KITSIS | This will probably be a strange land to her. She’s never seen a telephone before, she’s never seen a television…. And her inner nature is still one of goodness. Rumple has this large agenda and whatever it is, it required him bringing magic to this land. He has always been a character who has had to chose between love and power, and he’s always chosen power, so now that Belle, this wild card, comes into his life, into this meticulous plan, how will it affect it? And which path will he now choose because of it?TV LINE | The storytelling has always had one foot sort of planted in “reality” – Emma bonding with the son she gave up for adoption, Mary Margaret and David’s tortured romance. What is the Season 2 equivalent?
KITSIS | It’s going to be, “How does the real-world conflict with fairytale land? — in the sense that people have two lives in their head, and there may be things about who they once were they no longer want to be. In a weird way, the curse-breaking allows everyone to reevaluate themselves.TVLINE | What is Emma’s journey now?
HOROWITZ | After the experiencing the initial joy of finding her parents, Emma struggles as she learns how to be parented. She’s also going to have to come to grips with what it means to be the savior post-curse. She’ll have to reconcile what she thought she knew about the people in her life with who they’ve become, and then navigate a world turned on its head.
KITSIS | We’re also excited to finally get a good look at some of Emma’s backstory before she had Henry. We may even see the origins of her beloved yellow bug.TVLINE | Characters such as Sebastian Stan’s Jefferson are set to return for an episode or more. Are they there just for a head count, or do they serve a larger purpose?
HOROWITZ | We’re trying to give everybody a pivotal role in the larger story. So Jefferson doesn’t just show up to say, “Hey, I’m still here.” He’s got a part in this story.
KITSIS | And he has his own story. He’s got a daughter out there. Look, people like Sebastian we would love to have in every episode, but that is not possible because of their schedule. But he is in three episodes in the first batch, and we’re excited for those because they’re not just a “head count.”TVLINE | Can you tease the circumstances under which we’ll meet one of the new characters? KITSIS | Once of the new characters we’re going to be meeting is Lancelot (Teen Wolf‘s Sinqua Walls), who has a, uh, very…
HOROWITZ | … “complicated” relationship with Snow and Charming. We’re going to explore how that happened, and what it means for the past and for the future.
KITSIS | He and Snow have a secret that I’m not sure Charming knows.TVLINE | Which existing character would will surprise us most this season?
KITSIS | I would say Regina. Last year, all we ever showed her was making the wrong decision. Her father said, “Once you go down the revenge path you’ll never go back,” and she did it anyway, and she killed her father. She was told the curse will create a hole in her heart that can’t be filled, and she says voids can always be filled. And yet in the finale, she is faced with saving her son Henry or saving the curse, and she chose Henry and lost everything. So what happens now to Regina? Will this be a second chance? Will she redeem herself? Or will she revert to being the Evil Queen? And now, by the way, she doesn’t have to keep lying — I’m the Evil Queen, that’s right. And this is how it goes. The audience will be surprised by how she handles all this.TVLINE | In closing, any message to the show’s fans?
KITSIS | Please watch.
HOROWITZ | We want to say “thank you” for all the support that we got, and we hope you join us for Season 2. We really are aware we’re only coming back because you watched, and we really want to continue to try to raise the bar.TVLINE | And, Nucky’s not as bad a guy as we think.
HOROWITZ | Nucky is complicated, you know… He’s a product of this time.
KITSIS | You’re both missing the point, which is regardless of what Nucky does, he runs that city well. I think that in today’s world of bad government, at least trains are running on time in Atlantic City, as far as I can see.[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The La Times interviewed Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz in a 3-page online article:
The creators of ‘Once Upon a Time’ talk Season 2 and ‘Lost’
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-the-creators-of-once-upon-a-time-talk-season-two-20120928,0,5266447.story?page=1Blog Critics interviewed Lana Parrilla:
http://blogcritics.org/video/article/interview-once-upon-a-times-evil/Blog Critics interviewed Jane Espenson:
http://blogcritics.org/video/article/a-conversation-with-jane-espenson-part/"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Horowitz and Kitsis conduct a post-primere interview:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Emma-Snow-1054020.aspx"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Horowitz and Kitsis conduct a post-primere interview:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Emma-Snow-1054020.aspxYay! Phillip can probably come back! I watched this with my mother and a friend and both of them insisted that he was dead and that was that. Now I get to prove them wrong. 😉
Let’s start with the present day New York opener with Michael Raymond-James. Does that mean that someone got out of Storybrooke?!
Adam Horowitz: That’s an excellent question. All we can say about his character is that sooner rather than later, you’ll learn a lot more about him. We air nine episodes before we’re scheduled to go off for Christmas break, and within those episodes, you’ll learn a lot more about him and what his role in our larger story is.How do you respond to the theory that he might be Henry’s (Jared Gilmore) father? They do look alike!
Horowitz: I’d say that there’s a lot of theories out there. We love the speculation, but you’re just going to have to watch and see! Henry’s father is someone we will learn about this year well before the finale.Is it just me, or did Horowitz just say the same thing for both questions? I think that just answered who the stranger is (at least part of the way. I guess we still have to wait to see if he is Bae and/or any of the other theroies out there).
‘Once Upon A Time’ Season 2 Scoop From Creators Adam Horowitz And Eddy Kitsis
After watching the Season 2 premiere of “Once Upon A Time” (Sundays at 8 p.m. ET on ABC), HuffPost TV had the pleasure of talking with the show’s creators, Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis.
They discussed some of the events of the premiere and touched on what’s to come this season in our wide-ranging Q&A, which has been edited, condensed and presented below. Read on for some hints on what you can expect from Emma and Snow’s relationship, how we’ll meet Henry’s father, August’s return and what will happen to Regina in upcoming episodes. Spoilers for the Season 2 premiere ahead.
On how Emma and Snow’s relationship will evolve from here:
Kitsis: Well, I think the interesting thing for us on that is that all last season, Emma didn’t believe that [Mary Margaret] was her mom. She was kind of like the big sister, giving her dating advice and things you would never do with your mom. Now they’re in a strange land where Mary Margaret remembers she was Snow White. Snow White doesn’t need a big sister, and Snow White has more information about that land than Emma. So I think it’ll be interesting as they feel out their mother/daughter/big sister/friend/best friend relationship. And I think that what’s also interesting is that it’s one thing to believe [that magic is real and Snow is her mom] and it’s another thing to see it. Now Emma’s actually in the land where Henry kept telling her she was really from. And so I think there’s a real mix of emotions. And we’re excited also that you’re going to get a bit of Emma before she had Henry. [The flashback to Emma’s past] will be Episode 6 … In that episode you’ll meet Henry’s father.On Charming’s story while Snow and Emma are trapped:
Kitsis: He’s Dustin Hoffman in “Kramer vs. Kramer,” except instead of his wife leaving him, she fell through a magical hat into another world. [Laughs.] What’s so interesting for David is he now has a wife to find, a daughter to find, a town to run, and a grandson to take care of, even though he was a parent for 28 minutes. And so there’s a lot to unwind in the town. There’s lots of questions I’m sure people have, like, “Can they leave, and what the hell was that smoke, and what the hell’s going to happen?” He’s going to have to sort through that all and bring his wife back. Luckily for him, Snow and Emma are not damsels in distress, so I have a feeling they’ll be able to find their own way back.
Horowitz: We call them “damsels with daggers.”On writing strong female characters:
Kitsis: For us, that was the kind of show we wanted to do, because we weren’t interested in weakness with women, because that’s not real. And what’s real is a Snow White that wields a sword, and that can steal, and torture a knight with a pickaxe.
Horowitz: Exactly. From day one of writing the pilot, I remember writing the first sequence. We sat there and we said, “When that queen comes in, who’s going to pull the sword?” “It has to be Snow.” And that kind of started it.On Regina’s journey this season:
Horowitz: She’s got a dilemma.
Kitsis: Well, for us, what was interesting about writing the finale was, she had a choice. We have seen an entire season of her making the wrong choices. This one is, you can save Henry or you could save your curse, but you can’t have both. And she chose her son, so it makes you wonder if that void in her heart has been filled. And I think in the premiere, one of our favorite moments is Regina finding out that the only reason Emma and Snow are helping her is because Henry asked.
Horowitz: That’s the thing; she can be evil and she can do terrible, terrible things. But if we understand why, and there’s a humanity at the core of that, that’s what allows you to watch it. It allows us to write it. You still want her to be a villain. You still want her to be an antagonist. But she’s got extremely good arguments for everything. She raised that kid for 10 years before this woman came. But she has to balance the fact that she tried to be a mom with the fact that she does horrible things like curse millions of people.
Kitsis: And yes, she took her son to a psychiatrist who turned out to be a cricket because her son had delusions that these books were real, only to find out they were actually true. So there’s some damage control to be done with her [and Henry].On Rumple and Belle:
Kitsis: The thing that’s great about Belle is, she can see the beauty beneath the skin, and Rumple clearly has a plan. I don’t think in that plan, as meticulous as he is, he ever accounted for her being alive. So again, there’s a man who’s often faced choices between love and power …
Horowitz: That’s the thing; it’s about having these choices, having these crossroads, and creating these dilemmas where, as a writer and an audience member, you can look and say, “I’d want to go left, too. I know I should go this way.” But the deck is stacked so that you get why they make the choice, even if it’s wrong.On August’s return:
Horowitz: You will see him.
Kitsis: Yeah. We can’t tell you how, or why, or where, or when, but we can tell you that Eion Bailey will be back this season.
Horowitz: Yeah, we’re very excited to have him returning and to further that character’s story.On bringing back The Huntsman (Jamie Dornan) at some point — and whether they regret killing him:
Kitsis: Well, we designed that character to die, but knowing Jamie and how much we love him, of course it tortures us.
Horowitz: We love Jamie so much.
Kitsis: We’d love to get him back again this year. He just did a movie, so he’s busy.
Horowitz:He’s part of the DNA of the show, and because of that he’s always a part of it. Any time we can find the way to bring him in, we would be happy to do it.
Kitsis: Yeah, in the finale that was sort of our fave — we designed that entire thing just to give him that entrance where he pulls the mask up. His handsomeness will stun you.On Captain Hook’s (Colin O’Donoghue) introduction:
Horowitz: All we can reveal is that he will tie in rather quickly, in this first batch of episodes …
Kitsis: He has interesting relationships with a few of our characters …On bringing in other iconic characters — such as Ariel — who were rumored early on, but aren’t in the first batch of episodes:
Kitsis: There’s a lot of characters and people that we have ideas for, it’s just a matter of when we get to them. We’re going to meet Lancelot, Hook.
Horowitz: The Giant [from “Jack and the Beanstalk”]
Kitsis: We have a lot of toys, right? So we’re going to deal with them.
Horowitz: We have ideas for a lot of characters like Ariel, for example. Right now, these are the ones we’re playing with, but we’d love to have the opportunity to do a lot.On whether Mulan, Phillip and Aurora can technically be classified as a love triangle:
Kitsis: Well, what I think is interesting about that love triangle is that it started with her, Mulan, helping her friend go wake up his true love. So in a way, the triangle is done, in the sense that she’s already said, “You need to go do that.” So what happens from here on out, and whether or not he’s dead … I mean, all I saw was his soul being sucked out …On whether there will be one major villain in Season 2, or a number of antagonists:
Kitsis: I don’t know … I know that Barbara Hershey will be back [as Regina’s mother]. I know that Captain Hook, if I remember from “Peter Pan,” wasn’t the nicest of guys.
Horowitz: He’s got a hook on his hand!
Kitsis: I think he is misunderstood. He has a complicated backstory.“Once Upon a Time” airs Sundays at 8 p.m. ET on ABC.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/once-upon-a-time-season-2_n_1927679.html"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@slurpeez108 wrote:
‘Once Upon A Time’ Season 2 Scoop From Creators Adam Horowitz And Eddy Kitsis
Horowitz: The Giant [from “Jack and the Beanstalk”]Interesting that they didn’t say that we would see Jack too. I wonder if that’s because Bae is Jack, well at least Jack in our world, and they didn’t want to give that away.
I also wonder if that’s really Mysterious Man’s name though because while I think it’s obvious now that the casting call for Jack was for his character, I wonder if he’ll go by another name Peter, Charley, Robin, etc. Jack makes a lot sense because it’s a common name here and in many fairy tales/nursery rhymes, and he’s tied to the magic beans, but then I’m irrationally afraid that he’ll become the Jack Shepherd of OUaT. (Although Jack Shepherd would be a good alias too though because of his connection to wool, but it would be too confusing for viewers.)
AntBee wrote: Interesting that they didn’t say that we would see Jack too. I wonder if that’s because Bae is Jack, well at least Jack in our world, and they didn’t want to give that away.
Yes, I hope Bae is Jack, and they’re just being mysterious. 🙂 I never watched Lost, so I can’t comment as to who Jack Shepherd is, but it’d certainly make sense for MRJ’s character to go by such a common name like Jack in our world. Baelfire it just stands out too much.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Jennifer Morrison gives a post-premiere interview in video form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYL0CWNdEAI&feature=player_embeddedOnce Upon a Time’s Jane Espenson: Snow and Emma’s Journey Will Be a Long One
Once Upon a Time‘s Charming family reunion was painfully short-lived and that won’t change any time soon.
In last Sunday’s premiere, Emma (Jennifer Morrison) was sucked into a portal to what was left of fairy-tale land after the curse. Unwilling to lose her daughter again, her faithful mother Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) jumped in after her, sending them both directly into the clutches of presumed enemies Mulan (Jamie Chung) and Aurora (Sarah Bolger).
So now what? The journey back to Storybrooke will be a long one, according to consulting producer Jane Espenson (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Battlestar Galactica), who penned this Sunday’s outing, in which we also learn the origin story behind Regina (Lana Parrilla) and Rumplestiltskin’s (Robert Carlyle) troubled relationship. Get the scoop:
For the writers, how hard has been it been balancing three story lines?
Jane Espenson: When we started the season with the three threads instead of two, we were all tentative. Will this work? It really quickly became evident that it was not just going to work, but it was going to step everything up. For the first time, you have story lines that are happening contemporaneous with each other. We always had those fairy-tale story lines from the past. We just felt this excitement when we got to the end of Episode 201, when we do that reveal that these two stories have been happening at the same time. We can still tell stories from the past, so we’ve got three different colors of story on the board; we write on the white board with different color ink. We’ve totally fallen in love with these stories.In Sunday’s episode, we’ll see how Regina met Rumple, which kind of sounds like When Harry Met Sally… in a way, though I’m sure it’s very different.
Espenson: [Laughs] Can an evil queen and a wicked sorcerer be friends? They are the main focus of this episode, but there’s an awful lot going on in town with David (Joshua Dallas) as well. They’re sharing the spotlight. I’d listen carefully to what Rumple says about their first meeting. Maybe this is their first meeting, but maybe they go even further back.For Snow and Emma, they’re enemies of this land because of the Wraith. How are they navigating those waters?
Espenson: They’ve got a lot of explaining to do. It’s not just about explaining that it’s not their fault, but where did they come from? Are they who they say they are? Who is that anyway? We don’t know what relationships Mulan and Aurora had with the characters that we’ve already seen from fairy-tale land. Will they know the name Snow White or not? Of course, Emma doesn’t know anything about this world. We handed them a big old of bouquet of obstacles to deal with. Not to mention, they’re dealing with charred fairy-tale land. I’m reminded of cinder Earth from Battlestar Galactica and what happens when you find the place you’ve been yearning for and it’s not what you thought it would be. It’s interesting for both sides. Aurora and Mulan are going to have to deal with who these people are, who they naturally blame for this terrible situation. And we have to deal with Snow and Emma, on the other hand, dealing with this strange world.Nice Battlestar reference.
Espenson: We never say it explicitly in the room, and I don’t think [executive producers] Adam [Horowitz] and Edward [Kitsis] have made the parallel, but when we talk about fairy-tale land, I can’t help but think of cinder Earth. It’s not, in any way, narratively used in the same way, but I always think of that heart-dropping feeling of finding Earth and it’s cinder. It’s very evocative.Going back, you mentioning Aurora and Mulan possibly not being aware of Snow White is a parallel to Whale (David Anders) telling Charming that he’s not his prince. Is that a geographical thing, or could that be Whale knowing that Charming wasn’t really the prince?
Espenson: I’ve heard a couple different interpretations of “You’re not my prince.” One being that he comes from a land that’s not fairy-tale land, another being that he comes from a different part of fairy-tale land and has an allegiance to a different prince. I hadn’t heard that one. That’s cool too. Whale gets more and more interesting, doesn’t he? I love that notion. That line is one of my favorite lines ever because it is so multiply interpretable. Obviously, we’re keeping the Whale mystery going. It is worth thinking about that line and all the different things it could mean.Emma’s reaction to that line was also very strong. She’s really starting to realize her father is a prince!
Espenson: She has some amazing takes in these early episodes, where she’s just still reeling from this realization and taking in this new world. It’s not just intermittently heartbreaking — and the heartbreak on Snow’s face when she hugged her, my God, and Emma realizing that she’s found her parents and nothing that she thought was true is true — but it’s also funny because we’re dealing with this modern woman who’s dealing with these crazy things that are apparently true. Beyond that, these are things she’s read about in fairy tales throughout her life. It isn’t just, “My father’s a fairy-tale prince,” it’s, “My father is Prince Charming?!” That very notion is so comedically rich. Jennifer does such a great job of playing the comedy of it.How soon will we get a sense of what the real danger is now in fairy-tale land?
Espenson: They will be on to the danger in Sunday’s episode; you’ll learn a lot more. Look, in particular, to the very ending of Sunday’s episode to get a glimpse at some real danger. It’s not just ogres. It’s so much worse.Is part of that danger Hook (Colin O’Donoghue)? Are there people who have taken advantage of what this leftover world is?
Espenson: The new cinder FTL has a number of dangerous characters in it, let’s just say that. And yes, Hook is going to be introduced. Is there a line between those two? Sounds like a good guess to me.FTL, aka fairy-tale land, made me think of Battlestar again!
Espenson: It all goes back to Battlestar. [Laughs]How difficult will Emma and Snow’s journey back to Storybrooke be? Not only just the journey, but dealing with Emma’s feeling about Snow and Charming having given her up.
Espenson: Absolutely. It’s not just going to be Snow and Emma trying to get back, but obviously David trying to figure out how to get them back from the other side. We don’t know how possible that is. It’s not going to be easy. The first scene of Sunday’s episode is not going to be, “Oh look, I got the hat to work!” It’s going to take some real effort and I would look for that to not be resolved right away. We’ve put them in a very difficult situation and we’re not going to make it easy to get out of it.And David can’t just turn to Jefferson (Sebastian Stan) to have him make a new hat?
Espenson: That is a very smart step to go to Jefferson. Does David know about Jefferson? I like that idea a lot and I wouldn’t be shocked to see Jefferson show up at some point because he would be very useful.Speaking of the hat, Emma appeared to have a hand in starting it up in the premiere. What are the consequences of the fact that Emma can apparently do magic?
Espenson: Can she do magic? Or facilitate magic? Or conduct magic? That shot of her hand on the arm was certainly evocative. It was not meaningless. I wouldn’t take that to mean Emma can do magic. But yes: Emma. Magic. Some sort of loop around those two words. Again, the first scene of Sunday’s episode is also not going to be Emma making frogs appear. You’re on a very long journey with these characters.To find out what the first scene of Sunday’s episode will be, tune in at 8/7c on ABC!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Espenson-Season2-Spoilers-1054260.aspx"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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