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To cast this Curse, someone has to die, you have to sacrifice the thing you love most.
Both of these things happened; they just weren’t permanent.
They have previously shown that having someone else’s heart in your body does NOT flawlessly resurrect a person. They have shown this TWICE, with Daniel and Gerhart.
Both of those instances involved science rather than magic.
They invented a new rule that you can split a heart in two to bring back someone from the dead.
That doesn’t really violate anything that they’ve previously established, though, and is really not all that different from what was done on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland with the water from the Well of Wonders resurrecting Anastasia.
[adrotate group="5"]they were casting the Curse in order to get back to the one person who could stop someone who was threatening their entire existence and the existence of every other person in the Enchanted Forest, including their unborn child.
So far on-screen, all we have seen is Zelena attacking Snow’s group and hijacking their castle. There is no mention that she is randomly killing peasants or anything like that (and why would she do that anyway?). Aurora told Snow that Zelena’s motive was her baby and not, say, to take over the entire realm. We have no evidence that Zelena is threatening the lives of anyone else (except for Aurora and Phillip but she left them alone until they betrayed her).
So what does a personal vendetta between Regina, the Charmings and Zelena have to do with the entire Enchanted Forest Realm, especially those who are not even part of the Charmings’ kingdom?
had Zelena not intervened and ‘mucked with the formula’, it appears as if the only price that would’ve been paid as a result of casting the Curse was Charming’s death, which is a significant price in and of itself.
What about everyone else who were unwillingly ripped from their lives in the EF and sent to a foreign land? Snow and Charming had no idea whether they could get back to the EF from Storybrooke. They are taking it on faith that they would defeat Zelena and find a way back, and while they have the right to risk themselves (and perhaps, their supporters), they had no right to make that decison for others.
What about everyone else who were unwillingly ripped from their lives in the EF and sent to a foreign land? Snow and Charming had no idea whether they could get back to the EF from Storybrooke. They are taking it on faith that they would defeat Zelena and find a way back, and while they have the right to risk themselves (and perhaps, their supporters), they had no right to make that decison for others.
Given that Snow and Charming seem to be the only rulers left in the EF, they do kind of have the right to make those kind of sweeping decisions, and the fact is that most of the people who would’ve been transported back to Storybrooke had been there before, and, with the way the new Curse was initially cast (before Zelena swooped in and mucked with the formula), there would have been little to no consequences other than them simply being ‘displaced’ from the EF.
Both of these things happened; they just weren’t permanent.
If the price doesn’t stick, the the price hasn’t really been paid. If I go to buy something and hand over the money and they say, “this one’s on me” and hand it back, then I got the thing for free. Snow cast the Curse for free.
Both of those instances involved science rather than magic.
Both of those instances involved using a magically removed heart.
That doesn’t really violate anything that they’ve previously established, though, and is really not all that different from what was done on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland with the water from the Well of Wonders resurrecting Anastasia.
The Well of Wonders is it’s own, whole, separate thing. I don’t correlate it with the heart splitting situation. We had previously established heart lore that they messed with. We had previously established magic water lore that says it can bring back what was lost, and the Well of Wonders bringing someone back to life fits with that just fine.
Given that Snow and Charming seem to be the only rulers left in the EF
Just because the other rulers are MIA or turned into flying monkeys doesn’t make Snow and Charming the de-facto rulers of the other kingdoms. Eric or Phillip’s relatives would likely take over the crown or the high ranking officials in their respective courts would run the kingdom temporarily. And at the very least, Rapunzel’s kingdom still has its rulers in one piece from what we last saw.
they do kind of have the right to make those kind of sweeping decisions,
Which would make them into tyrants, ignoring the happiness of their people to pursue their own agenda (similar to pre-Curse Regina).
there would have been little to no consequences other than them simply being ‘displaced’ from the EF.
Except some of them were turned into flying monkeys and might be dead now because they were shot or burned into a crisp by our “heroes”.
The fact that Snowing found a way to circumvent the price of magic (and yes it was because of love but to some degree it was selfishly motivated, she didn’t want not know what happened to him) means that a price must still be paid.
Except that often with these writers the price of magic only happens if it’s convenient for them at the time.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"To cast this Curse, someone has to die, you have to sacrifice the thing you love most.
I’m not sure about that. Sure, they have to sacrifice “the thing you love the most”, but does that mean death? Regina could cast the curse in 3×11 because she sacrificed Henry. She didn’t kill him, but she had to accept that she would never see him again. That’s been a huge sacrifice for her (the one she loved the most) too, without killing somebody!
But I agree with you all: Snowing didn’t pay any price so far. That’s just wrong. It makes no sense and I don’t know how they will go on in the future, because now anyone could cast a curse without a price!? that would be horrible!
I’m not sure about that. Sure, they have to sacrifice “the thing you love the most”, but does that mean death? Regina could cast the curse in 3×11 because she sacrificed Henry. She didn’t kill him, but she had to accept that she would never see him again. That’s been a huge sacrifice for her (the one she loved the most) too, without killing somebody!
That version of the Curse was set in motion by Pan killing Felix. What Regina did was in response to that, but the actual Curse was happening at that moment because Pan sacrificed Felix.
willow wrote: The ‘hole in her heart’ thing was Regina’s personal price.
I’m not sure. Maleficent warned Regina about the price of the dark curse, but she never said the price was only applicable to Regina. In The Thing You Love Most, Maleficent said,
Mal: Don’t do this. This curse–there are lines that even we shouldn’t cross. All power comes with a price. Enacting it will take a terrible toll. It will leave an emptiness inside of you…a void you will never be able to fill.
It doesn’t sound to me like the price of the dark curse was specific just to Regina. Maleficent was warning her friend that all power comes with a price and that whoever enacted this particular curse would have to pay that price. The price of enacting the dark curse is having a void which you can never fill. That doesn’t sound like it’s particular just to Regina. Casting this dark curse ought to result in a person feeling empty on the inside. Hence, Snow should’ve had a hole in her heart, too, a void which couldn’t be filled until the curse had been broken. It seems like a glaring omission to me which the writers conveniently left out this time around.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I am surprised by all the negative comments about the episode. Although it was not one of my favorite Once episodes, I was not upset by the curse twist or the splitting of the heart. I think Charming and Snow’s love is different than anyone else’s in the entire show. They have a connection like no one else. Do Belle and Rumple love each other, of course. As did Regina and Daniel. But none of them have the connection that S and C have. Their children are the sole products of true love. They can feel each other’s pain. They are connected on so many levels that our other couples haven’t quite reached yet. I don’t think splitting of hearts would work for just anyone. I think you need to have the incredibly stron emotion and connection to one another as though you already shared one heart in order for this to work. They reached that point.
As as for not paying the price I am kind of stuck between arguments. Snow simply performing the act shows what she was willing to sacrifice but I do agree that she kinda copped out of the price that needed to be paid. I do agree though that the price now will be what happens to one happens to the other. We lose C then we also lose S.
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