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May I interject a couple of statements into this little argument?
Firstly: OnceWatcher is absolutely right. Partly. I won’t go into detail on where OW is wrong, except to just say six words: Unions, agents, money, and deal-making.
Secondly: Charming is a sissy. Archie is a sissy. Neal doesn’t appear to be a sissy, but we haven’t seen alot of him yet. Hook is a real man, who isn’t afraid of his tostesterone. That’s why he is so popular, and it’s why women gravitate to him. Not just because he’s a tall, dark, handsome, interesting, and fun to watch Lust Bucket. Hook is what women want from Once Upon A Time. A real man (and his pretty face doesn’t hurt either).
Thirdly: Myril based on what you said, I think you might be a writer. Are you? If so, there’s a whole lot I’d like to say to you. Personally, I’m in the “I want to see more Hook” camp. Why would you do all of this work on Hook, only to kill him off? I know it’s only a rumor with no substantiation, and I hope it stays that way.
I can’t understand for the life of me why even after knowing how the public feels about Hook, you’d slap your fans in the face by killing him off. I don’t appreciate the possibility, and I really don’t appreciate your attitude about it. Once isn’t what it is because of your sponsors, because of your unions, or because of your political back-door deal making with celebrity agents, lawyers and egos. It’s because of the viewers. Oncewatcher is right. Get rid of your tunnel-vision, and work on getting some humility. Maybe a think tank too, because you need it if you can’t think of any new ideas for Hook on your own. Maybe somebody else would be better at doing your job.
[adrotate group="5"]^^^^ this. I agree with TheBee and OnceWatcher
I couldn’t put my finger on why I find Hook so interesting (besides his looks 😉 ) but TheBee made a good point, Hook is portrayed as a real man figure in the show.Yea we have Charming who fights the bad guys and saves Snow and all that, but he’s still too ‘princey’. and thats why I like snow , because she isn’t exactly ‘princess-y’. Also with Neal I don’t find him manly (at least so far), because stealing for a living equates to not an entirely honest living and really Emma seems to be the only person I know who finds this an appealing attribute for a partner /:
touché 😛
But not all pirates steal,and in fairy tale land it’s kind of a characteristic for most of them for them to plunder villages 😛
Neal however could get a real job in the real world (which he seems to have in the first episode of s2 so that’s good I guess)Ok I am no CaptainSwan shipper, but I also don’t want to kill Hook. I think he has a great potential. I mean he has a ship, so he can make lots of adventures from jumping to realm to another (when the writer want, there will be possibilities – The 2nd Had of Jefferson-). I mean some character want to go home maybe. I think the only one character from fairytail land they don’t want to go back is maybe Grumpy and his fairy. Also he could went back to fairytail land, meet Mulan and Aurora to help them find Phillip to get over with “his sword fights” with Emma and solve the triangle they have or he can stay here and will be a social worker for “lost kids”.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
@tiara_rose wrote:
Ok I am no CaptainSwan shipper, but I also don’t want to kill Hook. I think he has a great potential. I mean he has a ship, so he can make lots of adventures from jumping to realm to another (when the writer want, there will be possibilities – The 2nd Had of Jefferson-). I mean some character want to go home maybe. I think the only one character from fairytail land they don’t want to go back is maybe Grumpy and his fairy. Also he could went back to fairytail land, meet Mulan and Aurora to help them find Phillip to get over with “his sword fights” with Emma and solve the triangle they have or he can stay here and will be a social worker for “lost kids”.
I love the social worker idea.
And, Bee, Colin O’Donoghue is a “Lust Bucket”? That was hilarious! True, but funny! Your post was right, too. I also like how you picked up on the contrast of sissiness of other men on the show. That may explain quite a bit, as to why people are so drawn to Hook.
I read another one of your posts in another area. You said that Hook and Emma are TV’s next power couple. They absolutely could be, providing the writers don’t sit on their hands.
… yes they do! Pirates steal, drink and fornicate their way to their grave. (the good life)
anyway, it looks like the debate has morphed into “artistic integrity” VS “pleasing and keeping the viewer”.
@TheBee wrote:
I can’t understand for the life of me why even after knowing how the public feels about Hook, you’d slap your fans in the face by killing him off. I don’t appreciate the possibility, and I really don’t appreciate your attitude about it. Once isn’t what it is because of your sponsors, because of your unions, or because of your political back-door deal making with celebrity agents, lawyers and egos. It’s because of the viewers. Oncewatcher is right. Get rid of your tunnel-vision, and work on getting some humility. Maybe a think tank too, because you need it if you can’t think of any new ideas for Hook on your own. Maybe somebody else would be better at doing your job.
Because OUaT is not our show, it ultimately is K&H show… There is nothing we can do about it. Every time we watch the latest episode we trust them to inflame our imagination and take us on a wild ride with our favorite characters. If K&H decides that from now on every single character will jump three times and scream “Waikiki” a the top of their lungs before saying a line, it is their decision and you can either choose to trust their judgement or stop watching the show.
And yes, character eventually run out of breath and storyline, it’s not matter of poor imagination or lack of trying. Just like real life, people fall in and out of different situation. Do you still see all of your high school friends? I know I don’t… why? I have no good reasons for it… It just happened. We move on because a situation no longer is interesting or useful to us.
It hurts a tv show a lot more to keep a character around that has no purpose or storyline except for a halfass scenes every here and there than taking them off the show for good (notice I didn’t use the term “kill”, as I believe there are other ways to take a character off a show) and replace those few halfass scenes with other character development or plot twist.
Do you know what happens when characters run out of breath on a show and the writers don’t have the hearth to take them off the show? They become annoying as hell!
Example:
Kate from LOST (how many times can the writers have her run from sawyer to jack to sawyer again) /
D.r. Foreman and Chase from House (A show about how a sociopath affect the people around him. By the time the eight season came around these two were not even phased by House anymore). /
Serena van der Woodsen from Gossip Girl (The poor pretty Rich blonde girl has self esteem issue… how many season can you milk this story)Not annoyed, yet. What I am annoyed by, is all the death. I’m also annoyed by writers who sorry, but like said before, don’t lift a finger in their brain cells to find more material. I realize you didn’t say there’d be no use for Hook, but the implication of that possibility is in your statements. To believe there would be no use for him, would be a blind and irresponsible statement to make. Blind to creativity, and irresponsible for not even trying.
If Hook dies, I probably won’t watch the show anymore. Not that anybody cares, but I’m just saying so. The reason? I am tired of having my heart dragged around by people who live in a vacuum. I know it’s just a story, but why do people become loyal viewers of any program? Because they get attached to its characters. Why? I watch tv to escape reality. Not, to be reminded of it. If I’m going to use a particular program to spend that time with, I’d like to know the writers of that program appreciate it.
Why don’t writers get attached to tv characters, namely the ones they write about? Because of the same reason why somebody who works at a restaurant may not care one way or the other, about eating the type of food they serve anymore. Yes, I know that on a first-hand basis. They’ve seen so much of it, that they have become numb to a consumer’s perspective. It’s like somebody who burns themselves so many times, that the nerves in that finger don’t work anymore. It’s lost its ability to feel and thus, becomes blind.
@Oncewatcher wrote:
Why don’t writers get attached to tv characters, namely the ones they write about?
You don’t think writers get attached to their characters? Characters they imagined, they deisgned, they created, they breathed life into, they make up the stories for. I’m not a writer, but I would imagine that it’d be impossible for a writer to not become attached to their characters. That doesn’t mean they won’t put said characters through hell, it doesn’t mean they won’t kill them if necessary, but even if they feel the need to do that, that doesn’t meant they don’t still love and feel attached to the character. K&H still talk about how they love Graham, but he was always designed to serve his purpose in the story, and then die.
TheBee – you’re wrong with your guess, I am no writer.
But it is interesting what image you have of writers, charming.
Nearly as charming as your image of men, of what makes a real man.What you wrote was offensive, not personally against me, neither am writer nor a man, but in general.
Sad, that others even agree with it.
To everybody here:
To set this straight: I find Hook as a character interesting, I did NOT suggest to kill him right away. All I am saying is, IF the writers can’t come up with good stories for him anymore, THEN I prefer them to give him an exit with a big bang, and not drag it. And IF the writers’ plans for Hook already includes a great showdown ending in Hook’s death, then so be it, as long as it is good writing, but I don’t know, what their plans are. I didn’t start to watch OUaT for Hook, I don’t watch it for Hook – that is all I am saying.What annoys me by now is, that some Hookers behave as if Hook is the only character really counting on the show and disrespect, that this is not how everybody sees it. I don’t judge people, viewers or whoever here, like or dislike anyone, I judge behavior.
BTW, Oncewatcher, I too pay attention to social media, surprise. I do notice, that Hook is a popular character. I do notice, that people like him or find him interesting out of different reasons, but there are a number of people, who seem to talk about little else than that Hook (and Colin O’Donoghue portraing him) is hot. I’m not saying, that is all, what they’re interested in, but if there is more, it is not as visible. What I am saying is, that the character deserves more than being primeraly some love interest for whoever on the show (and Colin O’Donoghue deserves more to show his good acting) . Oh, and I did mention, that good writing gets us invested emotionally in the characters, I am very aware that people feel with characters.
I’m giving my opinions here. Not sure what makes any of you think that these opinions and views might be any near to what the creators and the writers of the show think and will do. I find this ongoing writer bashing embarrasing and ridiculous.
@Phee wrote:
@Oncewatcher wrote:
Why don’t writers get attached to tv characters, namely the ones they write about?
You don’t think writers get attached to their characters? Characters they imagined, they deisgned, they created, they breathed life into, they make up the stories for. I’m not a writer, but I would imagine that it’d be impossible for a writer to not become attached to their characters. That doesn’t mean they won’t put said characters through hell, it doesn’t mean they won’t kill them if necessary, but even if they feel the need to do that, that doesn’t meant they don’t still love and feel attached to the character. K&H still talk about how they love Graham, but he was always designed to serve his purpose in the story, and then die.
Well said.
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