Cleaner and Hatters sign

[fairy dust]

It just hit me that the real Neal Cassady did work as a janitor…a “Cleaner” and of course Hatter makes us think of Jefferson. Now I am pondering the connection between the two of them. One thought is that Jefferson could possibly be the Wizard of Oz and if Neal is Baelfire maybe he spent some time in the Land of Oz??? Thinking…thinking…

[archgarch]

“Now I am pondering the connection between the two of them. One thought is that Jefferson could possibly be the Wizard of Oz and if Neal is Baelfire maybe he spent some time in the Land of Oz???”

I think THE DOCTOR might be a “tip of the hat” to Whale/Frankenstein being the Wizard. But that remains to be seen.

I very much agree with Neal/Baelfire being able to jump between lands. How exactly, we have not yet been told. If young Baelfire, after being sucked into the vortex, ended up in a “Land Without Magic, ” it could mean present day real world or perhaps another world without magic (Mulan’s? Whale/Frankenstein’s?).

If Baelfire ends up being Peter Pan, logic says that there will have to be some way for him to travel freely at some point from the first “yet to be determined Land Without Magic” to Neverland to modern-day NYC. This freedom of passage thus implies that travel to Oz is no exception.

WEIRD THEORY-I think there might also be something to Neal’s story of stealing the watches from the drunk jewelry store manager. Neal implies in dialogue that there is something “off”/old-fashioned about the way his WANTED poster appears in the post office.

1.We have learned that Jefferson is stuck in modern day land (HAT TRICK).
2. Jefferson’s transit through modern day land is not affected in the way that other Storybrooke characters are. (Is there anything in the ploltline I have missed that would keep him in modern-day Storybrooke?)
3. Thus, is it possible somehow that Neal/Baelfire worked as a janitor for Jefferson (the drunk jewelry store manager) and stole the watches from him?

[Nobody]

I hear a lot of theories about how people from the Enchanted Forest are/could be characters from OZ. If everyone doubled as a person from OZ then Oz would be empty to begin with. I think all the OZ reference are nods that it’s coming but I think it will have it’s own people. Jefferson has been stuck in Storybrooke for the last 28 years and Neal, if he is Bae, left Enchanted Forest 250 years ago (more or less)….wouldn’t he have aged a lot in OZ? Or do you think he’s been to many worlds?

I think Jefferson was stuck in Storybrooke during the original curse. Bad things happened when people tried to leave and that would include him. After the curse was broken, a new boundary curse happened. That was Rumple’s price for creating the dark curse in the first place…he wanted to find Bae but now can’t leave without forgetting him. So, I think Jefferson could leave now but he would have to leave Grace behind because Grace would forget Jefferson was.

[archgarch]

Neal, if he is Bae, left Enchanted Forest 250 years ago (more or less)….wouldn’t he have aged a lot in OZ? Or do you think he’s been to many worlds?

-Yes, I think Baelfire/Neal has indeed been to many worlds. An extended time in Neverland would account for his slow aging process.

I think Jefferson was stuck in Storybrooke during the original curse. Bad things happened when people tried to leave and that would include him. After the curse was broken, a new boundary curse happened. That was Rumple’s price for creating the dark curse in the first place…he wanted to find Bae but now can’t leave without forgetting him. So, I think Jefferson could leave now but he would have to leave Grace behind because Grace would forget Jefferson was.

Yes, but Rumple’s reinstatement of magic happened in the timeline after the time Neal/Baelfire was working theoretically for Jefferson and met Emma. There would be no consequence in this earlier time of Jefferson forgetting Grace. As for something bad happening to Jefferson if he left “pre-reinstatement-of-magic Storybrooke” one could argue that the worst thing that ever happened to Jefferson already did: he lost Grace. What more would he have to lose if he left?

[Nobody]

Well, Ruby tried to leave and Granny had a heart attack. Ashley tried to leave and went into labor. Hansel and Gretel were leaving and Emma’s car broke down. Something prevented people from leaving. I don’t think Jefferson would have left if not because some curse related force caused an accident to make him turn around then because he wouldn’t leave Storybrooke because Grace was there. He would have wanted to be near her in case the spell broke. He left her once and it was the greatest regret of his life.

[Nobody]

That whole scenario just doesn’t make sense to me and doesn’t go with what the show has told us about the curse. How many times did Henry say bad things happen when people try to leave…that would apply to all those cursed. Jefferson was cursed…his curse was just a little different. Instead of forgetting he got to remember and watch his child happy with another family but he was a victim of the dark curse all the same…same rules.

[frumpybutsupersmart]

@Kellyn1604 wrote:

That whole scenario just doesn’t make sense to me and doesn’t go with what the show has told us about the curse. How many times did Henry say bad things happen when people try to leave…that would apply to all those cursed. Jefferson was cursed…his curse was just a little different. Instead of forgetting he got to remember and watch his child happy with another family but he was a victim of the dark curse all the same…same rules.

Yeah, just like how Maleficent’s punishment was to remain a dragon here.

[Phee]

I started out thinking that there had to be some major connection between Neal and Jefferson because of that sign screaming HATTERS. Now though, I’m thinking it may have just been a nod to the fact that both Neal and Jefferson knew the truth about the curse.

@Kellyn1604 wrote:

I hear a lot of theories about how people from the Enchanted Forest are/could be characters from OZ. If everyone doubled as a person from OZ then Oz would be empty to begin with. I think all the OZ reference are nods that it’s coming but I think it will have it’s own people.

Agreed. I’ve no doubt that Oz is coming, and those characters will be completely new to us.

I think Jefferson was stuck in Storybrooke during the original curse.

Indeed he was, to quote the man himself: “Because, for the last twenty-eight years, I’ve been stuck in this house. Day after day, always the same.”

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