Comic-Con Date 2013: July 20 (SPOILERS)

[RumplesGirl]

I’m not saying the would make him evil. A and E have already said many times that he is “complicated” which fits into the way they portray “big bads.” Regina, Cora and GOAT were/are complicated villains. I don’t expect PP to be evil for the sake of evil, that’s not how A and E roll. As for sympathetic, I go back to the “complicated” idea that A and E keep using. It may be that PP needs the children for NL; he’s not looking to kill Henry for the sake of killing Henry or even for himself, but to save NL. That’s a very complex story. Do the needs of the many in NL outweigh the needs of the one, in this case the life of one 11 yr old boy? Having someone else pulling the strings, either by obvious command or via heart without PP knowing, reduces PP to a minor part in what is going to be the Neverland mythology. Adding Ariel is almost in service of the fans who have been screaming for her since S1. Why make her myth and story the larger one when you can use PP’s story which is what S2 was all about setting up?
For the second half of the season, I can see them switching the big bad, but I’d wager it would be THO and not someone who was behind PP this whole time. Have you ever read HP? I forget which book, but someone tells Harry that while Voldemort may have been the most evil wizard of all time, his followers were just as bad and when Voldie was “killed” when Harry was an infant, many of them struck out against the good side just as bad a Voldie had. If THO looses their leader, they may retaliate against the SB’ers.

[kfchimera]

We had the notion that maybe GOAT were working for a real HO like one started by Wendy, but only pretending to work for PP before we saw the finale.  Now we know that PP is fooling GOAT it seems less likely the HO is anything but a front.

What POM says makes sense, but I still do not see how anything in the interview with Lana and the dialog from Felix support the idea that there is a bigger threat than PP in the immediate arc, that Felix was referring to someone other than PP.   I said it before–the writers love twists so there could be someone manipulating Peter.  Many of us banded about the idea that Tink did something to Peter.  I do not think PP is knowingly a bounty hunter answering to someone else.  His shadow may control him and be sort of a separate darker entity, but I think what we have read for now is to point us to fear PP.  Not some mysterious other force–but I do like the idea that Ursula is hiding in the wings.  In season 2 we had Cora as one threat, then GOAT as a more or less unrelated threat to Cora and her goals.  We also had Spencer.  So it is definitely possible that PP will be one of many villains.

I had a notion too awhile back that maybe Tink and Peter are not exactly on the same side and both could pose a threat to our JR crew.  That was the Tink “blessed” Peter to be immortal when she fell for him theory.  Now I think that the actress looks a wee bit too old for that angle.  But the idea was that PP would not be the only threat.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[obisgirl]

Do the needs of the many in NL outweigh the needs of the one, in this case the life of one 11 yr old boy?

I totally got the Star Trek reference here.  🙂

[RumplesGirl]

I totally got the Star Trek reference here. 🙂

Thank goodness! I’m glad someone knows what I was doing. 🙂
I was raised on Star Trek. I find I slip it into conversations just to see if there are any other fans around me.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

PP is the Khan to Hook’s Captain?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

I have read HP. I think that was book 4 Goblet of Fire.

I don’t know whether a 17 year old could be a convincing mastermind. Perhaps PP has his own reasons for doing what he does, but I don’t think he could do it alone.

17 year old teenage boys are cocky and full of bravado and hormones, and Peter is stuck in that state, would he have the patience in playing a long game?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Slurpeez]

PP has always been the protagonist to Hook’s antagonist. They’ve gone with the shades of grey for all characters so far so I don’t see why they would suddenly make PP all evil. PP is essentially abducting children and holding them prisoner, I don’t see how that can be sympathetic unless Pan is forced to do that against his will by someone else. 

My own theory is that PP is cursed in a way similar to that of Rumple. It is dark magic, power, and the search for eternal youth that have corrupted PP, but once he was simply a little boy who didn’t wish to grow up. In that scenario, it isn’t necessarily a person who corrupted PP but the search for power. Now, it could that Tinkerbell’s magic is what corrupted PP, but I think that NL was cursed by some deep-rooted evil. It runs on belief, according to A&E. Perhaps PP needs Henry to undo said curse. That way, PP isn’t inherently evil, but rather, he is a little boy deep down longing for his mother and for a way to be whole again (sorta how Rumple struggles). Yet, when PP acts out as a rebellious teenager would, his power and his anger at being alone turn ugly and dangerous.

In regards to PP not taking orders from anyone else, he may not be aware that is what he was doing. When Cora controlled Aurora heart, she made Aurora say what she wanted with out Aurora even being aware of it. HAving Ursula controlling PP would also tie Ariel into the Neverland story more since it has been shown on the show that the fairytales are linked in some way.

  I don’t think PP is being directly controlled by anybody like Ursula. And I think PP is the grand puppet master of s3. But that doesn’t preclude the possibility that there will be yet another big bad in S4.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Ah, but looking 17 is different than being 17. Rumple looks 45 and is actually between 250-300. Same with Hook. He may look 17 but be 1,000 yrs old and have more maturity.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I’m just thinking it would be visibly jarring for a 17 year to be scaring the likes of Rumple and Hook.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Phee]

My own theory is that PP is cursed in a way similar to that of Rumple. It is dark magic, power, and the search for eternal youth that have corrupted PP, but once he was simply a little boy who didn’t wish to grow up. In that scenario, it isn’t necessarily a person who corrupted PP but the search for power.

This is something I’ve been considering too. Rumple’s stuck at the age he was when he inherited the Dark One curse, so maybe Peter is stuck at the age he was when he inherited the Pan curse? PP does traditionally carry a dagger, doesn’t he?

As far as a 17 year old playing such a big, dark role convincingly, I admit, I originally thought they’d cast the role a bit older for that very reason. Have been meaning to see if I can get my hands on a copy of Robbie’s movie Ways To Live Forever, because judging by the clips of it on youtube, it was a serious dramatic role, (he plays a kid dying of leukemia), and he was pretty amazing in it. In the hands of a capable 17 year old actor like he seems to be, I do think PP could be portrayed in a suitably compelling way.

The other day Robbie tweeted that he was watching The Full Monty, which I figured was probably something of a research assignment to familiarise himself with how Robert acts, so he can know better how to interact with him on camera.

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