Comparing The Curse Originally Cast In FTL VS The Curse Being Recast In SB

[lisas]

Let’s compare notes and take what we know about the original curse that Rumple designed & Regina cast

1. There was a true love safety valve on the parchment Rumple told Emma & Regina this in Episode 1×22
2. Emma being the product of True Love was able to break the curse originally. Rumple said last night in 3×10 that without Emma’s parents True Love woven into it that even Emma would be powerless to break it.
3. The curse originally ripped everyone away from the Enchanted Forest brought them to Storybrooke where they didn’t know each other and had new identities and there was no magic and time stood still for 28 years until Emma broke the curse with True Love’s kiss by kissing Henry’s forehead and admitting to herself & telling Henry that she loved him when he was under the the sleeping curse.
4. In order to enact the curse Regina needed the heart of the thing she loved the most which as we know was her father
5. The curse in the Enchanted Forest that Regina cast was a cloud of black smoke that engulfed the land
6. When Emma retrieved the true love potion after killing Malificent in her dragon form Rumple dropped the potion into the well to bring Magic to Storybrooke which caused a purple cloud to engulf the entire town.

Now Let’s take what we know about Pan wanting to recast the curse in Storybrooke

1. They are all already in this land
2. Without Snow & Charming’s True Love woven into the curse this time Emma would be powerless to break it. Which means in my opinion She & Henry, Neal,etc would be all at the mercy of the curse just like everyone else in the enchanted forest was 28 years ago
3. Pan say’s that everyone would forget who they are & that time would stand still and they he & Felix would be in charge and Storybrooke would become The New Neverland.
4. We know Pan needs the heart of the thing he loves most I have to believe it would be himself or Rumple or Felix

Now what we know from the promo
1. Peter Pans Final act of Vengeance could destroy one of their own (Wide Shot) of Rumple & Pan in the shop, Rumple going to attack Pan Pan using magic to knock Rumple back
2. Grumpy running saying it’s here
3. The narrarator says Unleash a curse WS of Green cloud of smoke coming out of the woods
4. Every is in what appears to be a church and Charming tells everyone to run
5. A shot of the purple cloud of True Love coming through Storybrooke and The narrator saying will change the face of Storybrooke in ways no one could imagine
6. Shot of Belle Crying
7. Shot of the Charmings, Emma & Henry embracing
8. Regina saying Everyone will go back to where they’re from
9 a shot of Emma & Hook looking at each other, then a shot of Snow with her mouth covered, Charming, Emma, Neal
10. Grumpy telling our core cast that the curse is on all sides of them & everyone of the core cast plus Grumpy are in the center of Storybrooke

Now let’s add in the set pics

Pan confronts everyone including Henry in the center of town (Which means they are able to successfully put Henry back in his own body) We do see in the set pics that as Pan is confronting Neal,Emma,Henry,Regina,etc in middle of the street in SB that he is indeed holding the parchment with the curse on it.
Pan & Rumple have a confrontation in the center of town
Rumple stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger
Pan reverts to his real age as Malcolm & Rumple stabs him once again with the Dark One Dagger

Taking all of these things into account plus we know about the prophecy of Rumple’s undoing and the set pics of 312 of FTL & NYC and now some of the set pics from 313 which does show Emma, Regina & Rebecca Mader in SB

I’m going to throw a theory out here
1. That Pan will take Felix’s heart thinking it will unleash the curse but it doesn’t
2. So he figures it’s his own heart and stages a confrontation with everyone on the pretense of still being after Henry knowing that everyone and Rumple will want to protect Henry & stop him. Rumple wanting to protect Henry stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger, in doing that Pan becomes Malcom again and Rumple once again stabs him with the Dark One Dagger
3. Pan’s Life is somehow binded to Rumple’s which would explain why killing Pan would kill Rumple at the same time.
So here is where my theory gets interesting

I think by Rumple using the Dark One Dagger to kill Pan it enacts the curse and strips him of the Dark One Curse but it doesn’t kill him. With the curse being recast in Storybrooke this time it takes them all home to present day Enchanted Forest which could explain why we see Philip & Auroua running in the set the pics & then we get to see flashbacks to Storybrooke during pre & post Regina curse giving us a reverse of what the curse was in seasons 1 & 2 and the first half of Season 3.

I think the set pics in 312 of FTL could be real & NYC possibly fake or a flashforward with an adult Henry played by actor Chris Gorman
I’m beginning to really think that the SB scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to post curse days in SB after Emmma broke it. I’m not saying that’s the case but at least putting that possibility out there on the table because of the set pics from 313 we got last week.( all these can seen in Who’s Filming Threads Season 3 Part 2
& Part 3
Also They were filming yesterday at Lynn Valley which where the bridge is that we have seen before in back in Season 1

So keeping all of this in mind what are you’re thoughts on this curse being recast ? How do you see it being played out ?

[RumplesGirl]

I’m beginning to really think that the SB scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to post curse days in SB after Emmma broke it

Hmmm. But post curse days in SB Emma was in the EF with Snow.

And we’ve seen Emma with Regina in SB in the car.

I do think PP is going to try and take Felix’s heart but it won’t work. I think the heart he needs is his own but he only assumes the thing he loves most is Rumple (he clearly doesn’t really love his son). Then Rumple kills PP whiel the curse is enacting and thus triggers the curse itself because it was PP’s heart they needed all along. But I think Regina will manage to block most of the curse (irony given how this show started) but that it still has consequences.

And that’s 312. 312 is an AU in which Emma never gave up Henry in the first place and we see what could have been. But it all reverts back to normal in the end. Fate. Destiny. The stuff ONCE is built upon

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[vilya]

I definately agree that Rumple is the one that causes the curse by stabbing Pan.  I don’t think that a normal knife could do it (kill Pan’s heart) and agree with all of you who said that Pan loves nothing more than himself, but he will only find that out after he tries to sacrifice Felix.

But….What if the purple magic we see Regina using isn’t meant to try and redo what Cora did.  What if it is to interject True Love into the spell, that way there is an escape clause.  From what I have seen I think that everyone is going to be transported to where they were when the first curse was inacted.  And I think to break this new curse a Regina, without her memory, is going to have to get True Love’s Kiss from Robin Hood.

[RumplesGirl]

I definately agree that Rumple is the one that causes the curse by stabbing Pan. I don’t think that a normal knife could do it (kill Pan’s heart) and agree with all of you who said that Pan loves nothing more than himself, but he will only find that out after he tries to sacrifice Felix.

From the pics we have, it’s the dagger. So yes it enacts the Curse and I agree with Lisa that it is also going to almost kill Rumple and take away his DO’s power. Belle’s TLK will save him. (I have been waiting for this moment forever)

But….What if the purple magic we see Regina using isn’t meant to try and redo what Cora did. What if it is to interject True Love into the spell, that way there is an escape clause. From what I have seen I think that everyone is going to be transported to where they were when the first curse was inacted. And I think to break this new curse a Regina, without her memory, is going to have to get True Love’s Kiss from Robin Hood.

Well, Neal is with them in the EF, wearing FTL clothing. And when the Curse was enacted the first time, he was in NL not FTL.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

1. That Pan will take Felix’s heart thinking it will unleash the curse but it doesn’t

Agreed.

2. So he figures it’s his own heart and stages a confrontation with everyone on the pretense of still being after Henry knowing that everyone and Rumple will want to protect Henry & stop him. Rumple wanting to protect Henry stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger, in doing that Pan becomes Malcom again and Rumple once again stabs him with the Dark One Dagger

I dunno if Pan might change his gameplan if he figures out that the thing he loves most, which has to be sacrificed, is his own heart. Doesn’t do him much good to have the Curse enacted if he’s gonna be dead, so he might need to come up with another plan, perhaps becoming the new Dark One. But that would involve Pan stabbing Rumple, and we only got pics of it happening the other way around.

I think by Rumple using the Dark One Dagger to kill Pan it enacts the curse and strips him of the Dark One Curse but it doesn’t kill him.

I wondered a few days ago if maybe the ReverseCurse actually requires the heart of the thing you hate most. If so, then Rumple killing Pan could do the trick to set it off. I do think that the killing of Pan will somehow strip Rumple of the Dark One, but I’m not sure how. I also wondered a few days ago if maybe Pan could become the Dark One, which is what prompts Rumple stabbing him, to take the power back, but they’d have to create some loophole where Pan becoming the DO didn’t kill Rumple in the process, if he’s still alive enough to stab him back in the middle of the street, and I dunno if that’s likely.

I do think that confrontation could potentially leave Rumple in bad shape. I’d like to see Belle’s tears save his life in traditional B&tB fashion, but maybe it’ll only save him just enough that he’ll be alive, but just barely. Then maybe whatever they’re doing in NYC and the potion will tie into how they help him.

I’m beginning to really think that the SB scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to post curse days in SB after Emmma broke it.

Doubtful if the new Big Bad is gonna be in the SB scenes, and we know she will be. They can’t just slot that stuff in as flashbacks and be all, “Oh BTW, this was totally going on since the Curse broke.”

I’m not convinced that the NewCurse will be enacted fully. Whatever Regina’s doing with her arms in the air and the purple lightening will have an effect. Whether it completely diffuses it so it has no effect at all, or it stops it half way and it splits them in two in separate personalities/worlds, I dunno. I’m still inclined to think that the FTL stuff in 312 is just gonna be an AU thing.

For all the spoilers we have, I’m still considerably confused right now, and it’s infuriating, but I love it.

[RumplesGirl]

I dunno if Pan might change his gameplan if he figures out that the thing he loves most, which has to be sacrificed, is his own heart. Doesn’t do him much good to have the Curse enacted if he’s gonna be dead, so he might need to come up with another plan, perhaps becoming the new Dark One. But that would involve Pan stabbing Rumple, and we only got pics of it happening the other way around.

I think once PP figures out that he would need to sacrifice his own heart, he goes back to trying to get Henry’s heart of the truest believer.

I wondered a few days ago if maybe the ReverseCurse actually requires the heart of the thing you hate most. If so, then Rumple killing Pan could do the trick to set it off.

Oh that’s interesting. But I’m not sure if Rumple flat out hates PP. I think PP hurt him a great deal and the events of 308 show just how screwed up Rumple is, but I don’t think Rumple hates him. I think he’s hurt and broken. But could he really hate his father? I don’t know…

I do think that confrontation could potentially leave Rumple in bad shape. I’d like to see Belle’s tears save his life in traditional B&tB fashion, but maybe it’ll only save him just enough that he’ll be alive, but just barely. Then maybe whatever they’re doing in NYC and the potion will tie into how they help him.

Would explain why we haven’t seen Bobby (he’s back in Scotland by all accounts) but we need a reason to have Rumple MIA. (however, please don’t let it last long!!)

Doubtful if the new Big Bad is gonna be in the SB scenes, and we know she will be. They can’t just slot that stuff in as flashbacks and be all, “Oh BTW, this was totally going on since the Curse broke.”

Agreed. It has to be present day.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Oh that’s interesting. But I’m not sure if Rumple flat out hates PP. I think PP hurt him a great deal and the events of 308 show just how screwed up Rumple is, but I don’t think Rumple hates him. I think he’s hurt and broken. But could he really hate his father? I don’t know…

In the promo, Pan’s saying something like, “Won’t I ever be free of you?” before he flings Rumple across the room. There’s no denying that Rumple feels incredibly hurt by his father, but I think that might be the final straw that could cause him to write him off completely and just hate him.

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote: Oh that’s interesting. But I’m not sure if Rumple flat out hates PP. I think PP hurt him a great deal and the events of 308 show just how screwed up Rumple is, but I don’t think Rumple hates him. I think he’s hurt and broken. But could he really hate his father? I don’t know…

In the promo, Pan’s saying something like, “Won’t I ever be free of you?” before he flings Rumple across the room. There’s no denying that Rumple feels incredibly hurt by his father, but I think that might be the final straw that could cause him to write him off completely and just hate him.

Good point. And it’s a parallel to Milah in The Crocodile, a bit. Up until the “because I never loved you” I don’t think he hated her. He was very hurt by her but not hate. But if there is a final straw for Rumple it’s being physically hurt by his father (so far as we know Malcolm never touched him and PP just put him in a box). I’m probably going to this episode, aren’t I?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

What if it is another body switch, and the one saying “won’t I ever be free” is Rumple stuck in Pan’s body?  Rumple has two people he loves intensely, Belle and Neal, and that would give Pan lots of options for a heart to take.

The only thing is the hints that Rumple cannot kill Pan without dying himself.  I think we will get an explanation that the DO curse originated with the shadow in NL when it bound itself to Pan.  So to kill Pan somehow destroys the DO too.  Rumple defeats Pan by being willing to stab Pan ending his own life, he thinks.  I think however Rumple’s soul will go to where Phillips did, because of some loophole and that leads into that weird AU thing.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

What if it is another body switch, and the one saying “won’t I ever be free” is Rumple stuck in Pan’s body?

I did wonder about that, because his tone seems a bit strange. But I think Malcolm might be more likely to use the term, “be free of you,” than Rumple would, because Malcolm is the one who wanted freedom from Rumple in the first place. Also, we see Rumple get thrown across the room, and we know that later he’s stabbing Pan. So if Rumple has murderous intent in that scene in the street, and that is definitely Rumple in his own body then, because we’ve seen that Pan’s body will change into Malcolm’s, then why would he just toss Pan across the room and leave him still breathing, if that was RumpleInPan’sBody back in the scene in the shop? Being tossed across the room could be motivation for the murderous intent in the street.

The only thing is the hints that Rumple cannot kill Pan without dying himself. I think we will get an explanation that the DO curse originated with the shadow in NL when it bound itself to Pan. So to kill Pan somehow destroys the DO too.

Good point about the stuff where both apparently have to die if one of them does. Having the origin of the DO explained would be awesome.

[Author]

Posts