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It’s the way he’s returning/being used. I don’t disagree that he should be there–I disagree with the way he is being used.
Right but how else could he be used. Obviously he can’t come back full time due to his other show. So isn’t this one of the few ways they can bring him in for he 100th episode? I’m not sure what else they could do to make it less “cruel” for Neal fans.
You really aren’t reading what I’m writing. This has nothing to do with an appearance in the Underworld and that being cruel. It’s what his character is going to do/say while he appears that is cruel. I’ll just repost.
he’s appearing (which makes sense) but he’ll also be forgotten about (not addressed) for the rest of arc. Somehow this reunion will be both a goodbye to Henry (probably, and really the only thing about this that is going to be acceptable and tolerable, for me, at least), a blessing from Neal for CS, and Neal telling everyone that he’s at peace, they don’t need to save him which gives the characters (and writers) license to forget all about him (again) for the rest of the arc/show.
^ is cruel.
He could just appear, have a touching goodbye with Henry, talk to his father and try to set him on the right path, and then move on because he’s NOW he’s finished his business. But that’s not what’s happening. Given what we know–it’s a mix of saying goodbye to Henry (and I expect this to be brief and perfunctory); it’ll be a warning, most likely about Hades and the spirits that inhabit the Underworld (and JMo tells us that Neal is not one of them); and, from that, that because Neal is not in the Underworld, he’s at peace, had no unresolved issues, and it’s okay to focus on Hook– thus he can’t be “saved” from the Underworld because he’s not there to begin with. All of which is utter nonsense but it gives the writers free reign for the characters to forget about Neal. That’s cruel
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"From what i gather appears that maybe not even crew and cast new about this, bc matt said in the article that now 100`s screening the episode found out, but i mean, the media can be contain and all the others work for the show could also be contain. Or maybe im reading it bad.
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He could just appear, have a touching goodbye with Henry, talk to his father and try to set him on the right path, and then move on because he’s NOW he’s finished his business. But that’s not what’s happening. Given what we know–it’s a mix of saying goodbye to Henry (and I expect this to be brief and perfunctory); it’ll be a warning, most likely about Hades and the spirits that inhabit the Underworld (and JMo tells us that Neal is not one of them); and, from that, that because Neal is not in the Underworld, he’s at peace, had no unresolved issues, and it’s okay to focus on Hook– thus he can’t be “saved” from the Underworld because he’s not there to begin with. All of which is utter nonsense but it gives the writers free reign for the characters to forget about Neal. That’s cruel
Lots of speculation. I feel like we could easily get a reunion with him and Henry, a warning about the UW and Hades, and not to feel sad because he is at peace. And wouldn’t that be fine? I see no cruelty with that. Unfortunately he’s going to have to move on because he’s just there for the 100th episode. The only cruel part I could see happening is him giving Hook’s blessing or whatever but that hasn’t been confirmed. The writers do plenty of things wrong without us condemning them for something they haven’t done yet.
Is it at all a possibility that the cold open is something that happens in the future? Or something that won’t make sense until the end of the arc. We haven’t really had a flashforward yet. This could be the time to maybe incorporate it. Neal has a scene in the beginning that doesn’t make much sense, but the story comes back full circle and by the end, the scene is revisited in present day. I just think there are a lot of things that could happen that could make it a totally satisfying 100th episode Neal appearance.
Neal has a scene in the beginning that doesn’t make much sense, but the story comes back full circle and by the end, the scene is revisited in present day. I just think there are a lot of things that could happen that could make it a totally satisfying 100th episode Neal appearance.
I’m thinking a, “We have to go back!” moment here. They have incorporated everything else that they did from Lost (time travel, alternate universe, flashbacks). All that is left is flashforwards. If it is such a shocking cold open, maybe it’s something like this.
Is it at all a possibility that the cold open is something that happens in the future? Or something that won’t make sense until the end of the arc. We haven’t really had a flashforward yet.
The cold opening has everyone wearing their SB outfits that they left in–and without Hook. We have those promo photos of the gang in the graveyard. Given Henry’s reaction and the fact that we’ve been told that finding Hook/saving Hook is going to be far trickier, that only leaves those photos being Neal’s appearance, which takes place upon entering the Underworld given, again, the clothing and Isham’s Instagram picture that “Neal’s Warning” takes places before the main credits.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well after reading Matt article, he does not point he will be seen only in 512, he hints that neal is very much in secret and he can be seen maybe in more episodes, in other ways and even on flashbacks.
The thing is Henry is not Neal only unfinish business, he also has them with him Mother and Rumple.
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Well after reading Matt article, he does not point he will be seen only in 512, he hints that neal is very much in secret and he can be seen maybe in more episodes, in other ways and even on flashbacks.
It does suggest that MRJ might be back for the finale or something. I don’t know. Guess we’ll have to watch for him. But I can’t imagine that he can come back for a full finale or anything more than a few mins of screentime. NBC is gonna start their hype train for GOS really soon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"^ is cruel. He could just appear, have a touching goodbye with Henry, talk to his father and try to set him on the right path, and then move on because he’s NOW he’s finished his business. But that’s not what’s happening. Given what we know–it’s a mix of saying goodbye to Henry (and I expect this to be brief and perfunctory); it’ll be a warning, most likely about Hades and the spirits that inhabit the Underworld (and JMo tells us that Neal is not one of them); and, from that, that because Neal is not in the Underworld, he’s at peace, had no unresolved issues, and it’s okay to focus on Hook– thus he can’t be “saved” from the Underworld because he’s not there to begin with. All of which is utter nonsense but it gives the writers free reign for the characters to forget about Neal. That’s cruel.
It really doesn’t make sense. If they can save one person they can save anyone. Also, Neal more then anyone has unfinished business with Rumpel, Henry, and Emma. They can try and write one line to get rid of those issues, but they still exist. That is why the show doesn’t work anymore. This is tv. They should show not tell, but they tell all the time. No matter what Neal says, his issues are still unresolved, and he is still dead so that Emma can be with Hook. Even if he can’t be saved because he is in a good part of the afterlife and they are somewhere else and can’t get to him, that would be fine to say, like when Buffy was in heaven and they thought she was in hell, say something like that, but they shouldn’t pretend that the character has no unresolved issues. That is nonsense.
It almost seems like the cold opening is after the scene where Rumpel gets the potion from Pan. It just seems bizarre. Maybe that isn’t the opening.
It really doesn’t make sense
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It almost seems like the cold opening is after the scene where Rumpel gets the potion from Pan. It just seems bizarre. Maybe that isn’t the opening.
I think the potion might be given to Emma from Merida, who will get named dropped but not seen. I think Rumple might steal the potion from Emma after the Neal scene, take it to the Hellbrooke shop and try to recreate it to talk to Neal again, or figure out how to bring him back. That’s when Pan comes in and interrupts
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