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I really like the idea that Regina was the baby that got away, just because it adds a nice new dimension to their relationship. It’d drive him mad every time he had to deal with her, being reminded of how he’d failed in that deal.
[adrotate group="5"]I doubt that the Queen of Hearts is Regina’s older sister. In the original story of Rumplestiltskin, the miller’s daughter was able to keep her first-born, because she sent her servant to spy and discover the imp’s true name. So, Rumple was in fact never able to collect on his deal, so to speak. He never received the “payment” he thought he was owed. It makes me think that he has been after Regina ever since, because Regina was the first-born that got away.
Also, I doubt that Bae is Cora’s child, just because Bae lived centuries before Cora was born. Even if Rumple granted Cora an extra long life, it wouldn’t explain a key point. Rumplestiltskin made the deal with the miller’s daughter after he became the dark one. Bae was born before when Rumple was still just a regular man. Also, I don’t think Cora and Rumple were ever married. In the story of the miller’s daughter, she marries the king, not the imp.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I posted under Rumple/Gold character analysis that I thought Rumples hates Regina because he was not able to get her after Cora guessed his name. After hearing other’s thoughts though I agree that Regina doesn’t seem like the first born.
Regina seems like the unfavored second born who’s mother gave all her love to the older sibling. In this case Cora no longer has her first-born and resents Regina even more for that.
The way that Cora and Regina are able to pull hearts out of people’s chests is way to coincidental to not be related to the Queen of Hearts in some way.
I know people think Cora is not the Queen of Hearts, but I really do believe she is. For one, the way her relationship with her husband Henry was portrayed, proved to me she would have no problem capturing him in Wonderland and holding him captive in a box. The obvious close relationship Regina and Henry share that sharply contrasts with Cora and Regina’s relationship also pointed to future events unfolding as we saw them in ‘Hat Trick.’
Side Note – Cora has the seemingly same hairstyle as the Queen of Hearts . . .
Of course the obvious reason Cora is not the Queen of Hearts is that they are played by two different actresses. Maybe her older sister is correct . . .
What about the King of Hearts? Who would he be. Did Cora get divorced? Let’s also not forget the QOH also has a sister. I think there is a family relation, but not really her mother.
In an article or in a blog someone mentioned they thought Cora taught Regina magic to the point Regina got more powerful and got rid of Cora.
I do not think that has happened, instead I think Regina learned her magic from Rumple, but she learned behind her mothers back. I do not think Cora would have taught Regina anything. Cora was all about POWER, if she taught Regina magic she would loose the power over her.
Instead Regina learned from Rumple making whatever deals she had to in order to get magic. I think Regina was desperate enough to try any method or means fair or foul to break away from her mother’s power. I think she did it without anyone else knowing. Regina may have gotten rid of her mother either killing her and becoming evil or more evil since I think she always had it in her. Or she banished her mother to Wonderland, stealing her magic from her mother making here weak.
Regina learning / dealing with Rumple would go far to explain the relationship and knowledge she had with Rumple.
Any thoughts from others on my theory would be welcome.
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“There was. There was a son. I lost him — as I did his mother.”
Rumple says this to Belle in “Skin Deep.”. Does this jibe with Cora being Bae’s mother? I just don’t see how that can be, not because of the time passage (because Cora is a witch and may not age as others do) but because Rumple had Bae before he got power and started making deals.
KalliopeKisees wrote: I also remember Cora advising (in a rather bitter tone) it was best not to have to rely on anyone in life. I think the bitterness exemplifies that her dealings with Rumple may not have turned out to her liking.
I agree that the little speech Cora made about power meaning never having to rely on someone else to get what one wants may have been directed at Rumple. It may also have been aimed at the king from the original Rumple fairytale who demanded straw be turned into gold. Cora sounded like an embittered divorcée who resented having fallen in love. She talked about love seeming real but never lasting. It makes me think that Cora was married before and then either divorced or stuck in a loveless marriage.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think the thing you have to be mindful of with this show is saying “that doesn’t make sense because . . .” I love everyone’s theories and I don’t write any of them off because they don’t make sense according to how the original fairy tale is written. That’s why I think Cora was married to Rumple and is Bae’s mother – I am not considering that the original Rumplestiltskin story is an issue that causes a problem with that theory, I’m going by things that Cora said that seem to make sense based upon what has happened so far on the show and based upon things that Rumple has said that seem to fall into place based upon Cora’s comments.
It would be like saying it doesn’t make any sense for Red to also be the wolf because in the Little Red Riding Hood story the wolf pretends to be her grandmother and talks to her when she arrives at her grandmothers house and that would mean that she is having a schizophrenic episode. On this show they don’t always stick to the original storyline. So even though they have said that Cora is the Miller’s Daughter doesn’t mean that the whole spinning straw into gold thing even happened. They could have twisted it to make it so the Miller’s Daughter married Rumple before either of them had magic, they had Bae and then she LEFT him with her first born when she decided to become powerful. I’m not saying I’m right, but I do think you have to be careful with discounting theories because they don’t follow they original fairy tale.
That’s the reason I have about four different theories of who August could be. There is no clear cut method of which direction they seem to go in on this show – it’s kind of all over the place. In fact after seeing the episode with Cora I have a theory for August – especially since he mentioned Lemurs (which I actually think he meant Lemures – the spirits of dead ancestors who had unfair deaths now) and I wonder if August could be Daniel who is back somehow to try to end the curse to redeem Regina’s soul. I wonder if his motorcycle represents a horse.
I think it’s a lot simpler…
As they’ve said: “magic isn’t born, it’s made.” I think Cora was a very poor Miller’s daughter, and that her story proceeded in much the same way as the original story. I think she was forced to spin straw into gold, really loved Regina’s father, the prince, and made three deals over three nights with Rumple in order to save her life. When it came time to give the baby (Regina) up, Rumple took pity on her, and gave her an out – guessing his name. Which she managed to do by unfair means.
I think, because of everything Cora had to go through, and the fact that she fell out of love with Regina’s father (something that is briefly mentioned in this episode) she became obsessed with power. She never wanted to be in the position of the victim again. I think she went back to Rumple, and began making other deals with him in order to gain power. I think Regina absolutely knows that she was supposed to be given to Rumple – I don’t think Cora ever lets her forget what she did for her…
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