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June 11, 2013 at 12:35 am #137031fairy dustParticipant
Could Tamara (Tuh-‘Mara) be a Jinn…specifically a ifrit jinn. Tamara uses the word “unholy” and this word was used in season one to refer to dark magic. Jinns are not “magical creatures” but rather “Spiritual Creatures.” Those who believe in Jinns believe that jinns, humans and angels make up the three sapient creations of God. I was rereading the letters from the Once-The Untold Stories Game and I noticed several things.
1. Genie’s can take human form and can live for eternity
2. Jinns have societal systems and structures (the Home Office???)
3. There was a beautiful, precocious, Ifrit Jiniri who could take smoke form (Ifrit can also take the form of humans, animals and fruit) and had colors that are not in our world. She was the daughter of a king who like to banish people.Here is a little info about Ifrit Jinns. They are in a class of infernal Jinn noted for their strength and cunning. An ifrit is an enormous winged creature of fire, either male or female, who lives underground and frequents ruins. Ifrits live in a society structured along ancient Arab tribal lines, complete with kings, tribes, and clans. They generally marry one another, but they can also marry humans. While ordinary weapons and forces have no power over them, they are susceptible to magic, which humans can use to kill them or to capture and enslave them. As with the jinn, an ifrit may be either a believer or an unbeliever, good or evil, but he is most often depicted as a wicked and ruthless being.
In One Thousand and One Nights, in a tale called “The Porter and the Young Girls”, there is a narrative about a prince who is attacked by pirates and takes refuge with a woodcutter. The prince finds an underground chamber in the forest leading to a beautiful woman who has been kidnapped by an ifrit. The prince sleeps with the woman and both are attacked by the jealous ifrit, who changes the prince into an ape. Later a princess restores the prince and fights a pitched battle with the ifrit, who changes shape into various animals, fruit, and fire until being reduced to cinders. In the book the word is used interchangeably with genie and in the tale the spirit is malevolent but easily tricked by the protagonist.
In early folklore, the ifrit is said to be formed from the blood of a murder victim. Driving an unused nail into the blood was supposed to stop their formation. The creatures were reported as being able to take the form of Satan, the murder victim, or even a sandstorm.
Since magic can be used against Jinns there would be motivation to eliminate magic. Words that stood out to me were good, evil, believer, unveliever, pirate, woodcutter, changes shape, kidnapp, cinders, fire, blood. We have seen four times skin is pierced and blood runs out…Dr. Frankenstein pierces Daniel, Rumple twice with his globe and David with the spindle. We’ve seen a living “Hell” room in the Netherworld. Tamar is middle eastern and means date palm tree…mara means demon and is the demon that tempted Buddah. We’ve heard talk of the netherworld (which is also mentioned in the Peter and Wendy book by Barrie). There have been some obscure mentions in the second half of the season to Hell…Tamara was engaged to a human, we’ve seen a lot of the lamp in multiple episodes. Anyway….I’m pondering the possibilities of this theory.
[adrotate group="5"]June 11, 2013 at 2:15 am #197851RumplesGirlKeymasterIt’s a very interesting theory. Personally, I tend to see Tamara as a very minor foot soldier in the Home Office–she really isn’t all that important (though we will learn why she hates magic with such a passion). A and E have said in various places that Tamara was born here and that she doesn’t have an FTL counterpart, also Tamara said that she is human, but she also lies a lot. 😆
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"June 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm #197888fairy dustParticipantThose are great points. Until I did some reading about Jinns, I thought they were part of fairy tales and I was surprised to learn that they are not. We know Tamara is not from FTL and that Jane E. indicated that Tamara appears to be human…this leaves the door open for the possibility that she could be a jinn. In Fruit of the Poisinous Tree, Sidney mentioned one thousand and one…which is a reference to One Thousand and One Nights/Arabian Nights. This would be a different land than FTL. We also know there will be a Jinn/Genie in Once Upon a Time in Wonderland so this would give interesting tie in opportunity between the stories.
Because Greg/Owen was also participating in the long con the jinn hints could point to him as well. The Jinn world is an unseen world just like the computer world of Tron Legacy is an unseen world. So it is possible that it could take that path as well. Kevin Flynn’s middle initial is “O” which adds a little more fuel to the possibility that he is Owen’s uncle, but that is really a different discussion for a different thread. It is interesting that little Owen/Greg loves Star Wars and there is the specific reference to Darth and Luke’s lightsabers. Who discovered little Anakin??? Qui-Gon Jinn. Interesting.
I am not sure how committed I am right now to this theory but I am exploring it. There are many parallels between the Sidney centric episode, Fruit of the Poisonous Tree, and Tamara’s story. One of the first things that jumped out to me is they were both conducting a long con. Putting that together with some of Tamara’s comments that have religious overtones lead me to explore this path. Although costume colors do not always indicate a connection it is also interesting that Tamara wears blue and orange just like Sidney…and at her first meeting with Neal she was spying on him using a mirror. Like I said…I haven’t put all my weight on this theory but it is interesting. As others have said, I also see possible connections with Cinderella’s fairy Godmother and the Robin Hood story. I’ll post more as I walk down this trail. It may lead to nowhere but it is intresting.
Here is the intro from the Jinn article in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
The jinn (Arabic: الجن al-jinn, singular الجني al-jinnī; also spelled djinn), or genies, are spiritual creatures mentioned in the Qur’ān and Islamic mythology who inhabit an unseen world in dimensions beyond the visible universe of humans. Together, the jinn, humans and angels make up the three sapient creations of God. The Qur’an mentions that the jinn are made of a smokeless and “scorching fire”,[1] but also physical in nature, being able to interact physically with people and objects and likewise be acted upon.[clarification needed][2] Like human beings, the jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent and hence have freewill like humans and unlike angels.[3] The jinn are mentioned frequently in the Qurʾan, and the 72nd surah is titled Sūrat al-Jinn.
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