crazy crack theory incoming! -About an alternate reality/AU and a time-loop

[Grimmsister]

Yeah, I understand what you where saying now- I took AU, as just that- a distinct & separate reality from the current one, I think you meant altered reality, where we have the one reality that can altered from it’s current state, but not split into distinct alternate realities/universes.

Yep 😀 so it Works right?

[surayya]

So my big problem with what Z wants to do is that in effect Emma will never be born, Neal will never find his father, nor will Henry be born etc.

Also Z doesnt just want to be royalty- she wants Rumple to love her- she loves him, which is why he wouldnt use her for casting the curse, despite her being the more powerful witch- it was his heart she’d have to sacrifice. So if she wants to alter her own reality, it goes without saying she’d want Rumple to love/choose her too & that’ll annoy me- Rumbelle kinda deserve to be together for a season, if they get married & Z interrupts to change reality so she gets Rumple- I may actually legit cry! I’m not a big Rumbelle shipper, but how long can they keep a cannon TL couple apart?! Not to mention this plan of Z’s will be throw spanners into ALL the main couples on Once from Rumbelle to OQ to CS to SQ & she’s already sunk SF- in fact Z will have every once shipper of anyone ready for her head on a stick lol.

[surayya]

This is where I would have to use the she is the savior reason. I dont know how but for some reason Emma will either remember or learn what Z did and that Old Reality once existed, so that she will have to put Things back in order- she will want to get back to the reality in which Henry exists. Maybe it is something to do with the Hook Kiss? We also see him in AU, so they might be working together on getting thhings back in order. If Hook and Emma tricks Z into thinking, Hook has kissed Emma and stolen her magic (in This current reality) Z will start AU thinking Emma will not be able to hurt her, but because Emma didnt kiss Hook and still has her magic- this will enable her to remember “Old Reality”.

But Emma wont be born yet & neither would Snow & maybe charming for that matter- so the only way your theory could work is if Adult Emma & Hook (from current reality), travel back in time with Z, to try prevent her from changing the future.

Since we know Snowing are in the past Emma & Hook travel back to- Z must have gone back to the time of Snowfalls, so baby Z would already be an adult, have meet Rumple & been dismissed as useless to him.

If Snowing baby is Regina and Z takes her and sends her back in time via twister to the time of her own baby-Hood, they would be the same age.

Wait… so you are saying that Snowing’s baby is Regina- so that would make Regina both Snow’s step mother & daughter, Henry’s adopted mother, step great grandmother & bio aunty, Charming’s step mother in law & daughter, Emma’s sister, co parent & step grandmother???

Yep so it Works right?

Almost- I’m still trying to figure out away that it all fits into once paradox & not into contradicting paradoxes- ie it makes no sense if we have both the grandfather paradox & the Consistent causal loop paradox butting heads- it has to be one or the other- either you change the past to alter the future or you always traveled back, so the future is never actually changed from it’s current state, as you are just going through the motions.

[Grimmsister]

So my big problem with what Z wants to do is that in effect Emma will never be born, Neal will never find his father, nor will Henry be born etc.

Also Z doesnt just want to be royalty- she wants Rumple to love her- she loves him…..

Not to mention this plan of Z’s will be throw spanners into ALL the main couples on Once from Rumbelle to OQ to CS to SQ & she’s already sunk SF- in fact Z will have every once shipper of anyone ready for her head on a stick lol.

Emma would be born in this AR, but not Henry and Neal wouldnt find his father no, but he would still be alive living in New York.

Z might have loved Rumple before but at the time he rejected her. I think other feelings started to grow in her. Maybe in AR she will keep him as a pet, instead of her monkey 😉

The ship thing. I dont know about that.

[Grimmsister]

But Emma wont be born yet & neither would Snow & maybe charming for that matter- so the only way your theory could work is if Adult Emma & Hook (from current reality), travel back in time with Z, to try prevent her from changing the future.

Since we know Snowing are in the past Emma & Hook travel back to- Z must have gone back to the time of Snowfalls, so baby Z would already be an adult, have meet Rumple & been dismissed as useless to him.

Wait… so you are saying that Snowing’s baby is Regina- so that would make Regina both Snow’s step mother & daughter, Henry’s adopted mother & bio aunty, Charming’s step mother in law & daughter & Emma’s sister + co parent???

it makes no sense if we have both the grandfather paradox & the Consistent causal loop paradox butting heads- it has to be one or the other- either you change the past to alter the future or you always traveled back, so the future is never actually changed from it’s current state, as you are just going through the motions.

Lol Im so confused now 😀

But its the consistent causal loop I think Im proposing. Emma always traveled back and Z always send baby Regina back trough the twister. When and how did it start? no idea, but thats the beauty of it.

Yes more confusion on the Family tree I know 😛

Im not saying that the Emma and Hook we see in the AU pics are Emma and Hook travelled back in time. These are the new versions of Emma and Hook LIVING in the altered reality. So all the time, from the day of the twister, when Z was a baby and up until the day adult Emma goes back to set Things right Again, will pass during AR- meaning many years will go by in this AR, before Emma is able to put Things right Again and make the reality that we have seen since season one come to pass.

Emma (from the altered reality) goes back in time Again to the day of the twister and puts the baby Z in the twisters path, therebye saving Regina, the Snowing baby, who she then puts in the cradle with Cora and Henry in Z’s place.

[RumplesGirl]

While this is creative and would make for great fanfiction….have you ever heard of the principal called KISS

What you’re suggesting is so outlandishly strange (but creative, I’ll grant) that the GA would never go for it. You cannot take OUAT outside of its intended medium of TV and the proposal of a simple story about family and hope and redemption. What you’re suggesting belongs to the world of SciFi like Doctor Who with its infinite complexities of wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

While I like the idea that Zelena wants the baby to replace her being sent to Oz, the whole “Snowing giving birth to Regina” part of your crack is only going to make the GA turn off the TV. Remember: KISS

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Grimmsister]

lol okay 😀 No I had never heard of KISS.. and not of GA either, what is that?

But maybe I should start watching that Doctor Who show. I think it would just be my thing.

Thing is though it would be so cool if they did this on Once 🙁 I know its suppossedly a Family show and all that, but kids are sometimes able to follow these Things better then adults cause they just take it in and dont question it too much. And you have to admit Regina being Snowings baby, really keeps Things in the Family 😉

[Phee]

and not of GA either, what is that?

General audience. The vast majority of the audience for this particular show who just tune in once a week for some simple fairytale escapism probably wouldn’t be up for something this twisty and complicated. They’ve gotta keep the story simple enough for the casual viewer to be able to follow without getting a headache.

[surayya]

Im not saying that the Emma and Hook we see in the AU pics are Emma and Hook travelled back in time. These are the new versions of Emma and Hook LIVING in the altered reality. So all the time, from the day of the twister, when Z was a baby and up until the day adult Emma goes back to set Things right Again, will pass during AR- meaning many years will go by in this AR, before Emma is able to put Things right Again and make the reality that we have seen since season one come to pass.

LOL! I’m so confused now! …Ok. The way I understand what you are saying, is to make the consistent causal loop paradox work, you are proposing Emma travels back twice? …. Then is either stuck there forever after or travels forward in time back to the future (see what I did there 😉 – sorry I just had to go there lol )

While this is creative and would make for great fanfiction….have you ever heard of the principal called KISS What you’re suggesting is so outlandishly strange (but creative, I’ll grant) that the GA would never go for it. You cannot take OUAT outside of its intended medium of TV and the proposal of a simple story about family and hope and redemption. What you’re suggesting belongs to the world of SciFi like Doctor Who with its infinite complexities of wibbly wobbly timey wimey. While I like the idea that Zelena wants the baby to replace her being sent to Oz, the whole “Snowing giving birth to Regina” part of your crack is only going to make the GA turn off the TV. Remember: KISS

I agree, which is why IF they go down this time travel road- I only want them to pick 1 & only 1 paradox & use it.

I can not see baby Regina being Snow’s child- that would mean Charming daughter hit on him & tried to kiss him in S2 & that is crossing the line for this show :/

I watch Continuum, which is all about time travel (I dont watch Dr Who after the dalek scaring the bejesus out of me as a kid- those thing were creepy lol 😉 ), but they’ve done there show in a very intelligent way, so they have been able to incorporate multiple paradoxes existing with-in the show & explained how this is the case- they follow strict ‘rules’ of time travel/paradoxes & it works- but Once isnt scifi, so I cant see the complexities of it working well for the show on top of the format it follows already- with Flash Backs/present day- then adding alter reality flash backs/ altered reality present day etc.

[Grimmsister]

Phee-

General audience. The vast majority of the audience for this particular show who just tune in once a week for some simple fairytale escapism probably wouldn’t be up for something this twisty and complicated

Okay thanks. This is oftent the problem for me with Once. I have all these big ideas for where I think they should take the story and then is disappointed when they dont go so far.

Surayya-

The way I understand what you are saying, is to make the consistent causal loop paradox work, you are proposing Emma travels back twice? …. Then is either stuck there forever after or travels forward in time back to the future (see what I did there 😉 – sorry I just had to go there lol )

No Emma always only travelled back ONCE, but in order for her to do it, she had to already have done it once before 😉 lol I know its tricky but when you get it, it sort of make great sense in its own strange way.
Emma (her AR version) travelled back in time, to the day of the twister, from the AR. She makes the baby switch and as soon as she has done that, and Z Again is the baby that ends up in Oz, everything goes back to normal. The AR version of Emma seizes to exist And everything Z did was in vein, because we just go back to present day Storybrook, right after Z enacts her new curse (sends baby Regina back in time)- so because of what AR version Emma did, nothing really happens, exept baby Regina is lost in the time loop and now only adult Regina is left..

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