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All the ‘ships aside… how nice has this season been for Daddy Charming moments?
What I like about Charming in Daddy mode, and the fact that Emma is gradually warming up to it, is that Snow has, since the curse lifted, really struggled with being a mother to this person that she first became a friend to as an adult. They are both incredibly proud of Emma and love her, but they don’t really know how to be parents to her. Certainly not in tandem – they’ve produced some of those most cringe-inducingly awkward parenting speeches this season (and I’m glad we’ve had Emma crack it at their infuriating optimism)
But on his own… Charming just seems to get it. He’s Emma’s mate first and foremost. He isn’t trying to baby her. He is looking after her, and trying to guide and advise her, but in a more subtle and supportive way than Snow’s subtle-as-a-sledgehammer way.
Think this is probably my favourite one:
[adrotate group="5"]I HEART DaddyCharming!
Gotta find a thing I saw on tumblr the other day that actually made me weepy…*goes searching*…
I’d never really noticed it on a conscious level before, but seeing all the screencaps posted together, along with the tweet, it’s just so lovely, and I’m so happy that it’s a thing that Josh does deliberately.
What I like about Charming in Daddy mode, and the fact that Emma is gradually warming up to it, is that Snow has, since the curse lifted, really struggled with being a mother to this person that she first became a friend to as an adult.
For quite a while, it bugged quite a few people that Emma didn’t really seem to have any sort of close relationship with her father, but I think that that actually serves their current relationship well. With her mother, Emma had a previous close friendship that she now has to try and redefine, and it’s not been easy for them to do, but she didn’t really have that with her dad, so there are no preconceptions that they need to readjust to. They’re starting from scratch with their relationship, with all the knowledge of who they actually are to each other, which I think allows them to become close in a unique way.
I love the way DaddyCharming is playing out. I think Swanning is right. He just gets it. He may want the same relationship that Snow does, but he also gets how weird this is all is and he’s ok with letting Emma figure it out first.
LOVE the comment about the DaddyCharming hugs!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What I noticed in the last few episodes, and particularly in the last one, is that it seems like he has stopped trying so hard to be Emma’s “parent.” We see in the EF flashbacks how well he knows Snow and how he is so good at figuring out exactly what to say or do when she is upset, angry, freaking out, etc. He knows what to say to stop her from making mistakes by not TELLING her not to do something but by giving her advice and then letting her figure it out on own her own based upon what he told her. And then in the last episode we had two references to how Snow and Emma are so much alike. It seems like he has figured out that the best way to “parent” his daughter is to treat her just like his wife (no ick factor intended. Meaning, just like Snow said in Echo Cave, they never got to watch Emma grow up – bam, they have a daughter the same age they are. So Daddy Charming has figures out he needs to just accept that and go with – he has a 28 year old daughter so he needs to treat her like a 28 year old woman, which oddly enough is exactly how he has figured out to treat his wife.
On the other hand, Snow isn’t there yet because she is still mourning the “loss” of her baby. She isn’t ready to stop trying to give advice to Emma the way she would a child. When she was MM she was so much better with Emma because she related to her as a 28 year old woman. I think Daddy Charming’s brush with DreamShade death made him evaluate what he has and what he could lose and I think he decided having the opportunity to be a dad to a 28 year old is a much better option than not being able to be a dad at all. And like his conversation with Emma about “moments”, he is finding the good in a bad situation and trying to enjoy it and do everything he can to help her in the way she needs instead of dwell on the bad (that she is all grown up and doesn’t need the kind of advice they missed out on giving).
Honestly, Charming as a character has always annoyed me a bit. But he had had these GREAT moments lately and I am loving him.
Also, if no one has noticed this go back and watch the Echo Cave Scene when Charming tells Snow his secret. Gosh would have known they were pregnant then. Watch right as he tells Snow that he thinks she will be an amazing mother. He breaks character and starts to cry for just a minute but now that we know you can totally see it!! It is beyond adorable and it worked with the scene so I’m sure they just decided to keep it. It is one of the cutest things I have ever seen!!
On the other hand, Snow isn’t there yet because she is still mourning the “loss” of her baby. She isn’t ready to stop trying to give advice to Emma the way she would a child. When she was MM she was so much better with Emma because she related to her as a 28 year old woman. I think Daddy Charming’s brush with DreamShade death made him evaluate what he has and what he could lose and I think he decided having the opportunity to be a dad to a 28 year old is a much better option than not being able to be a dad at all. And like his conversation with Emma about “moments”, he is finding the good in a bad situation and trying to enjoy it and do everything he can to help her in the way she needs instead of dwell on the bad (that she is all grown up and doesn’t need the kind of advice they missed out on giving). Honestly, Charming as a character has always annoyed me a bit. But he had had these GREAT moments lately and I am loving him.
I sorta wonder if that has something to do with Snow and Charming’s own childhood. Snow lost her mother at a young age and thinks she knows what Emma is going through, and therefore tries to compensate by being overly helpful and motherly. It’s a cry of “I will never leave you! Let me show you how much I will never leave!” Charming, on the other, hand grew into adulthood with his mother (father as yet to be determined…get on this A and E!). I think he recognizes that children can’t be coddled and smothered. Ruth wanted him to marry but when he said he would only marry for love, she backed down because she wanted whatever would make Charming happy.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I prefer DaddyCharming over MommySnow for the reason that Charming isn’t trying to push Emma into accepting him as her father. He’s letting Emma come round to it of her own accord. Even in season 2, Charming was giving Emma breathing space and telling Snow to “drop it” whilst Snow was bombarding and smother Emma with “I’m your mom! Why won’t you see me as your mom? I want to be your mom!”
My dislike of Snow during the echo caves scene is immense because Snow basically tells Emma that she wants another child because Emma can never give her the mother/daughter relationship that she wanted. I will feel so sorry for Emma if the Snowing baby is a girl since the new baby would be the daughter Snow always wanted.
At least it would provide some great Emma/DaddyCharming moments though.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI prefer DaddyCharming over MommySnow for the reason that Charming isn’t trying to push Emma into accepting him as her father. He’s letting Emma come round to it of her own accord. Even in season 2, Charming was giving Emma breathing space and telling Snow to “drop it” whilst Snow was bombarding and smother Emma with “I’m your mom! Why won’t you see me as your mom? I want to be your mom!” My dislike of Snow during the echo caves scene is immense because Snow basically tells Emma that she wants another child because Emma can never give her the mother/daughter relationship that she wanted. I will feel so sorry for Emma if the Snowing baby is a girl since the new baby would be the daughter Snow always wanted. At least it would provide some great Emma/DaddyCharming moments though.
I think of the two of them MommySnow feels much more guilty about sending Emma away then Charming does. Charming hates the lost time and loves his daughter, obviously, but I think he recognizes that it was the correct thing to do. Snow knows it was right, they had to give Emma her best chance, but she still feels incredibly guilty. And it goes back to the Pilot: Snow is the one who told Charming to put her in the wardrobe. Charming says “at least we’re all together” but Snow insists that he put her in the wardrobe. In other words, the mother cast out her daughter, something that I think is very hard for Snow to live with. Done with the best of intentions, but still done. I think that’s in large part why MommySnow wants another baby: to prove to herself that she’s a good mother. That given the choice again, she wouldn’t send her child away.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think that’s in large part why MommySnow wants another baby: to prove to herself that she’s a good mother. That given the choice again, she wouldn’t send her child away.
yes! And it’s not until you see all the parallel scenes together (thanks tumblr!) that this penny drops.
I actually don’t hate snow’s cave confession. It wasn’t done tactfully but i can see where she’s coming from. It certainly explains her awkward parenting!
also, I LOVE that Josh always cradles Emma’s head. The acting choice makes my ovaries explode. It’s so lovely!
I actually don’t hate snow’s cave confession. It wasn’t done tactfully but i can see where she’s coming from. It certainly explains her awkward parenting!
I think her confession is perfectly logical and understandable. I do wish she had told Emma to put her fingers in her ears or something, lol, but I don’t fault her for it.
also, I LOVE that Josh always cradles Emma’s head. The acting choice makes my ovaries explode. It’s so lovely!
I didn’t realize he was doing it intentionally and now that we know I’m like *swoon*
He really is Prince Charming
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Phee–I think that is spot on that Charming did not really need to balance out a friendship versus jut being Daddy. I also agree RumpleGoldFan that Charming just treats Emma in term of advice the way he would handle Snow as they are equally stubborn and need to come to things in their own way sometimes. (Snow shooting targets, Emma destroying toasters….)
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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