Dark Magic vs True Love Magic

[Slurpeez]

As true love incarnate, Emma is magic. When Rumple instructed her to use magic, it was through positive feelings of protection. With Rumple, Regina, and Cora, dark magic requires bloodlust. So, will Emma become a major force for good as Regina become a force for evil? Also, Rumple said he is full of love, so perhaps love will win the day where he is concerned as he tries to win back Belle, and TLK will break his curse as the dark one.

[heatherc1275]

I noticed that part too. I actually loved how Emma used positive memories to use her magic and it gives me hope that she will always use her magic for good and to protect her family.

#MoreBOOMLessGloom

[RumplesGirl]

I loved that “full of love” line. I think Rumple is about to have a total turn around and really try to be good. So many hints about that tonight, IMO.

I think Emma is going to be a real force for good someday. It’s going to take awhile, of course, because she’s untrained, but she’s going to be super powerful.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I loved that “full of love” line. I think Rumple is about to have a total turn around and really try to be good. So many hints about that tonight, IMO.

I kind of agree–right now he’s got Bae and Belle both to try to win back somehow, and he’s got a LOT of redeeming to do.

But…he’s still the Dark One, he’s still a coward (so afraid of death that he was willing to take someone else’s life, someone whom he may once have loved, in order to stay alive), and he’s still got some serious barriers in the way of actually being good. First of all, as David pointed out in The Crocodile, he has terrorized just about everyone in town at some point. They know how sneaky and manipulative he is, so even when he’s being actually honest, hardly anyone will trust him.

Second, Hook will still want his revenge when he finds out what happened. That puts anyone who comes between him and Rumple in danger, especially Belle, and we know how Rumple reacts when the people he sees as “his” are threatened. It’s not easy for him to make good choices, especially when his emotions and fears are involved.

Third, there’s the whole prophecy with Henry. Rumple’s survival means that perhaps the prophecy of his undoing hasn’t come true yet, and that’s going to make him continue to see Henry as a threat. While clearly Rumple’s not above using Henry to get what he wants (as he did with Snow), he may well see anyone choosing Henry over him in a battle as a threat, too. And he liked Henry before he connected him completely to the prophecy, which thoroughly complicates that relationship; I don’t think he wants to hurt Henry at all, even family matters aside, but he might if he thought it came down to him vs Henry, or even Belle/Bae vs Henry.

I’ve seen some people suggest that his path is easier than Regina’s, but Bae still hasn’t forgiven his father (even if he didn’t want to lose him) and Belle still doesn’t remember who he is; Emma and David might be willing to help him and even see him as family for Henry’s sake but that won’t last long if he threatens Henry in any serious way. Or Snow, actually…and when David learns that Rumple gave Snow back the candle, well, he might not agree that you can have more than one grandpa anymore.

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[RumplesGirl]

I think Rumple has a lifetime of redeeming to do. I don’t know if he’ll ever be done, but I want to see him try.

Second, Hook will still want his revenge when he finds out what happened. That puts anyone who comes between him and Rumple in danger, especially Belle, and we know how Rumple reacts when the people he sees as “his” are threatened. It’s not easy for him to make good choices, especially when his emotions and fears are involved.

I am very interested to see how Hook will respond to the killing of Cora. He and Cora had a very shaky alliance and now that Rumple is fully healed and immortal once more, will Hook go after Bae? Or Henry?

And he liked Henry before he connected him completely to the prophecy, which thoroughly complicates that relationship; I don’t think he wants to hurt Henry at all, even family matters aside, but he might if he thought it came down to him vs Henry, or even Belle/Bae vs Henry.

After that gut wrenching moment with Bae, I don’t think Rumple will go within five feet of hurting Henry. Henry is off limits to the Dark One right now because Bae and Rumple had this wonderful moment and to heck if Rumple will make the same mistake twice.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[arkham258]

They seem to me moving further and further away from the whole magic has a price idea. I saw a lot of magic used with no consequence this episode. Unless you count the candle, but that was more due to the fact that saving someone from death goes against the natural order of things, an idea which brings to mind Joss Whedon’s Buffyverse but I digress.

I know one can say that only dark magic has a price, but what I saw this episode told me that magic is simply channeling one’s emotions and nothing more. To me, this says that there is no such thing as dark magic or good magic, it’s just all about the emotions you put into it and how you use it. And theoretically then, ANYONE can wield magic. Cora picked it up rather easily it seemed.

Not to be a complainer, but they seem to play it fast and loose with the rules of magic on this show

[Keb]

The price isn’t always immediately visible. For example, learning magic caused Cora to rip out her own heart and so until her last moment, she never experienced real love for the rest of her life. That’s a pretty harsh price. Rumple’s price was in part losing his son; Cora likewise lost her daughter for many years, oh, and her daughter sent an assassin after her toward the end of her wait (if you don’t count the 28 years of the curse). I think the rule still holds; it’s just not always apparent in the moment. The price of Snow’s using the candle is going to be steep, for her and everyone else, I suspect–not to mention costing Cora’s life.

Does Emma’s magic have a price? Or was it a price she already paid, growing up without her family, having people like Pinocchio pull her apart from Neal, etc etc? That’s something that there’s room to explore yet.

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[arkham258]

That’s kind of what I was hinting at. We’ve been seeing Emma use magic with no price at all this season…or not any we’ve yet seen anyway. I also feel like there’s no reason David, Snow or anyone else can’t use magic given the way Rumpel explained it this episode.

[arkham258]

But then again, I guess those characters would CHOOSE not to learn magic given the supposed price to it

[Keb]

It does seem like some people have an intrinsic strength with magic, but anyone could use it with some effort. Emma’s is strong enough she used it without knowing it was even possible.

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