Did Regina always remember?

[obisgirl]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Mr. Gold always remembered. I’m listening again to ep. 2 and that scene at the end of the episode where Mr. Gold asks Regina to “please” excuse him and she is just livid with him but has no choice but to let him go.

I’m pretty sure he always knew but I’m starting to think now that the Evil Queen gradually remembered who she is.

I mean, she didn’t approach Mr. Gold about his FT past until ‘Skin Deep.’ If she had a really strong feeling after that meeting in ep. 2 about who he really was, she would have approached him earlier.

Then again, she crushed Graham’s heart. So maybe she remembered small bits and pieces but there was this block that existed until Emma came to town and started changing things.

There’s also the way Regina speaks, like, “Take away these miscreants!” and her little speech to the townspeople in “That Still Small Voice,” and there’s her body language in some scenes (like sitting her office chair like it’s a throne).

[weedith]

She cast the curse. I think she always knew. It would be a lousy curse if you intended it to be able to ruin people’s lives and then watch them suffer, but then didn’t remember to enjoy watching them suffer. I have to think Rumplestiltskin has better quality control on his curse-creation than that.

I do agree that in the scene in the orchard it appeared that Mr. Gold knew the score, and not just the “please,” but that when Regina asked who Emma was, Gold replied, “I think you think you know exactly who she is.” What would he mean other than that Regina suspected Emma to be Snow and James’ child who had come to break the curse. Maybe that moment planted the seed in Regina’s head that Gold knew who he really was, but it just took her a while to gather more information and decide to finally confront him about it. She probably knew that coming out in the open that he knew about the curse, and she knew that he knew, and he knew that she knew that he knew, etc. etc. etc. would take their conflict to another level. She just needed to get prepared for that before opening that can.

[hjbau]

I think she always knew. Her behavior, her dialogue, her reactions to other people, and also the plot makes no sense if she didn’t always know. The whole point of the curse was that the Queen was to get her happy ending by putting everyone else under this curse where they lead sad lonely pathetic lives with no happy endings and no change and no aging. If she didn’t know that seems to throw the plot.

I still question a lot more whether Rumpel always knew. He just seems so confused at times. And there has always been the question about whether or not he remembered only when he heard Emma’s name in Granny’s bed and breakfast. Though i am not sure if the writers will do anything that interesting because making him know was so uninteresting.

@weedith. That scene in Ep 2 where Gold says “I think you think you know exactly who she is” makes no sense in light of the fact that they both know because what else could Gold be talking about then that Emma is Snow and Charming’s child. Though maybe we just need more information. If people have been visiting the real world from fairytale land or crossing over before the curse then maybe Emma could be someone else. I mean we know she isn’t, but it is possible the queen could think she is someone else i guess.

[weedith]

@hjbau wrote:

I still question a lot more whether Rumpel always knew. He just seems so confused at times. And there has always been the question about whether or not he remembered only when he heard Emma’s name in Granny’s bed and breakfast. Though i am not sure if the writers will do anything that interesting because making him know was so uninteresting.

I thought it was a terrific twist. I like having another power player in Storybrooke besides just Regina. I also enjoy not really knowing what Mr Gold’s motivation is and therefore not being able to predict what he is going to do. Regina is a good character but not quite as unpredictable.

[killianhookfan]

I think Regina must have always remembered her FTL life. Otherwise I don’t know how she would have known how to access her heart vault underneath her father’s “casket” in the cemetary. I do think that probably as time went on (well, I guess not really) she may have gotten “comfortable” with time standing still and fell into a pattern of being large and in charge as mayor of Storybrooke and Henry’s mother; just gotten used to the curse working. And then Emma showed up and suddenly Regina has to face the facts that the curse isn’t going to go exactly as she has planned. I think Rumple was just sitting tight waiting for Emma to show up on 28th birthday – there wasn’t any reason for him to confront Regina or let on that he remembered because nothing was going to start to happen until Emma showed up and he knew that. I honestly think the writers HAD to have Rumple remember his FTL. I don’t think it would be much of a show if Regina was the only person in Storybrooke who remembered FTL and the curse – I think it would fall short of storylines. Besides what Snow did to tick the EQ off, the power struggle between Rumple and the EQ and Gold and Regina is the central element of the show.

[hjbau]

I think that i thought it would be a better twist if they did all that and then it ended up that Rumpel didn’t know rather then he did.

And i agree that they should have Rumpel remember, i just think that it would have been much more interesting for them to show him remember on screen. To see that moment. It is what it is though. They made their choice. And the scene where Regina confronts Gold in the jail was a great scene.

Though i don’t think that the power struggle between Rumpel and the Queen is a central element of the show. We don’t even know if there is a power struggle so far.

[obisgirl]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

I do think that probably as time went on (well, I guess not really) she may have gotten “comfortable” with time standing still and fell into a pattern of being large and in charge as mayor of Storybrooke and Henry’s mother; just gotten used to the curse working.

Interesting observation.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

And then Emma showed up and suddenly Regina has to face the facts that the curse isn’t going to go exactly as she has planned. I think Rumple was just sitting tight waiting for Emma to show up on 28th birthday – there wasn’t any reason for him to confront Regina or let on that he remembered because nothing was going to start to happen until Emma showed up and he knew that.

That is very true.

[nonnie]

@weedith. That scene in Ep 2 where Gold says “I think you think you know exactly who she is” makes no sense in light of the fact that they both know because what else could Gold be talking about then that Emma is Snow and Charming’s child. Though maybe we just need more information. If people have been visiting the real world from fairytale land or crossing over before the curse then maybe Emma could be someone else. I mean we know she isn’t, but it is possible the queen could think she is someone else i guess.

I think it was because GOLD had gotten Henry for REGINA and he was referring back to that… maybe to throw her off the scent of him KNOWING everything.

Nonnie

[obisgirl]

She knew the child was a girl but never knew her name. If the EQ knew her name, she would have been like 👿 That’s their daughter! But the funny irony is that she doesn’t know. 😆

If I remember, her expression during that last bit where Mr. Gold implies that he thinks Regina knows who Emma is, she looked absolutely confused about what he was talking about.

[hjbau]

I think Regina is shocked when Gold says please and now we know that is because he knows and didn’t want to tell who Emma was. I guess we have to think that the Queen knows very little about Emma. She knows that Snow had a girl and that the child was put into a wardrobe and disappeared. I don’t think she knows anything about the child coming back when she is 28. She knows that the child is supposed to save everyone from the curse. She doesn’t know that the child came to the real world.

I wonder why Rumpel told Regina about Emma at all? I just don’t know about his character. I guess he is just doing whatever seems fun at the moment. Though at the same time i think he has some sort of agenda. It is just so odd. At times it seems like he is working with Emma to try and get rid of the queen and yet at other times he seems to have no interest in her at all and just be pushing the queen away so that he can do whatever he wants without her bothering him.

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