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In We Are Both, Cora tells Regina that she’ll be married in two days at the start of the episode (the vines bit).
After she fantasizes about killing Snow, her father says the wedding is “tomorrow.”
She summons Rumple that night, and he gives her the mirror. The next morning, she pushes Cora into Wonderland (while wearing her wedding dress) and I think they were still preparing for the wedding at that point.
The next scene shows her in riding clothes meeting up with Rumple, telling him that leaving was always her plan. Why she’d marry the king at that point is still beyond my understanding, though clearly Rumple’s talk and magic’s temptation for her are part of it, as well as her mother’s advice just before the mirror bit–to build up power, to get her own set of guards and so on…which she clearly did do, eventually (and learned their names, which impresses me).
I have Regina marrying Leopold right after this. If you want to look at my spreadsheet & notes for this…it’s lines 139-146 in the current version of the timeline worksheet.
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Regina believes that the man with the tattoo is her soulmate, but he (as far as we know) doesn’t know anything about this. Regina being who she is, I think that when they meet we’ll have at least one episode of Crazy Stalker Queen.
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So I’m definitely pro adultery if it can stop a murder, which was exactly the kind of darkness Tink was trying to stop with her encouragement. It’s a moral dilemma for sure, but in this case, adultery would have resulted in a lot of good. (which would have ruined the show)
But having an affair might not have been the only solution to Regina’s despair at being caught in a loveless marriage. As I suggested previously, Tinkerbell could have encouraged Regina to have a child of her own or to adopt. Maternal love is also a form of true love on this show (as Emma proved when she kissed Henry). Regina becoming a mother first might’ve prevented her from becoming the evil queen. If Henry is now enough to make Regina regret some of what she’s done, then I think Regina having a child before she embraced darkness might have negated the “need” here to have an extra-marital affair and would have spared the kingdom the wrath of Regina later on.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Regina had to let go of Daniel before she could really love again. She still had his preserved corpse hanging around a good 40 years after he died, and she still was barely willing to say goodbye when he begged her to in The Doctor–though she had let go of her last bit of him besides his body when she sacrificed his ring to get the poisoned apple.
I think the “right time” thing might be very relevant to why Tink’s behavior was so wrong.
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Tinkerbell seems to be a kind of shipper, except that she’s trying to bring together real people (you know what I mean), and she can’t write that they don’t get hurt.
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So I’m definitely pro adultery if it can stop a murder, which was exactly the kind of darkness Tink was trying to stop with her encouragement. It’s a moral dilemma for sure, but in this case, adultery would have resulted in a lot of good. (which would have ruined the show)
But having an affair might not have been the only solution to Regina’s despair at being caught in a loveless marriage. As I suggested previously, Tinkerbell could have encouraged Regina to have a child of her own or to adopt. Maternal love is also a form of true love on this show (as Emma proved when she kissed Henry). Regina becoming a mother first might’ve prevented her from becoming the evil queen. If Henry is now enough to make Regina regret some of what she’s done, then I think Regina having a child before she embraced darkness might have negated the “need” here to have an extra-marital affair and would have spared the kingdom the wrath of Regina later on.
I agree.
Tinkerbell seems to be a kind of shipper, except that she’s trying to bring together real people (you know what I mean), and she can’t write that they don’t get hurt.
Tink as the in-show representation of zealous shipper fans. Love it! 😆
Great discussion, I think there’s something to the “right time” thesis. If we play devil’s advocate here then if Regina hadn’t been turned to the Darkness she wouldn’t have imprisoned the Genie, who suggested the Huntsmen, who let Snow go allowing her to find her best friend Red and her TL David. Furthermore even if Tink’s scheme had succeeded I doubt that Rumple would have let Regina off the hook since he needed her for his curse (why her specifically I hope we’ll find out down the line).
With regards to adultery King Leopold is obviously a good and kind man but far too trusting (like Snow) recall that he invaded Regina’s diary, and openly acknowledged that he knew her to be unhappy and yet he was apparently unwilling to let her go, he did after all imprison her in her chambers. Without excusing Regina’s actions we can conclude that Leopold’s neglect of Regina, his mourning of Eva, and indulgence of Snow make him a less than ideal husband.
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Gaultheria wrote: Tinkerbell seems to be a kind of shipper, except that she’s trying to bring together real people (you know what I mean), and she can’t write that they don’t get hurt.
Tink as the in-show representation of zealous shipper fans. Love it!
Me too! I think she definitely sees them as “meant to be” and doesn’t read the “eventually” part in fine print. She wants to get from Point A to Point B as quickly as possible and doesn’t realize all the stops along the way that need to be made in order for them to be right for each other and ready and open to new love at the right time.
So literally all she sees is they’re meant to be and doesn’t understand why Regina spent 40 years being miserable when she told her who she was meant to love again. It’s like us yelling at the screen for any of our couples to just kiss already and be together and stop doing stupid things, when most of the characters are very damaged people that have to fix things in themselves first before being a perfect match for their equally broken love!
Life is a journey, not a destination and that holds true for true love as well. One of my favorite quotes from Jane Austen’s Emma (appropriate!) is from Mr. Knightley to Emma Woodhouse:
Perhaps it is our imperfections that make us so perfect for one another.
This basically sums up how I feel about all of these characters. There’s potential for them to redeem themselves and find love again, but they wouldn’t necessarily even connect with their true love or soul mate when they first met them if they hadn’t been through the things they had before. It is our life experiences and our choices who shape who we are.
I think Tink just sees TRUE LOVE and draws little hearts around it and doesn’t understand how anybody could pass that up but I really don’t think Regina was anywhere near ready at the time and Tink pushed her – big time (and in a direction that does NOBODY any good by encouraging her to cheat on King Leopold and run off with the outlaw).
I fully expect Regina and Robin Hood to connect on so many levels and Roland is a definite bonus that wouldn’t have been there had she met him back then. (Pretty sure Robin is happy to have him around too). Everything happens for a reason as Shakespeare so eloquently put it:
The course of true love never did run smooth
As I said earlier, they’ve done a pretty good job of showing how any relationship that starts out in that way has a tragic ending so I think the show in general is keeping to that idea. It would be totally unrealistic for not one character to suggest such a thing though, especially when someone is obviously miserable like Regina (and goodness knows we saw her do that to Genie before too).
I’m not an EvilRegal by any means, though I enjoy most of the characters on the show and can defend them when warranted. I’m just saying that I think this was Tink being overzealous and very big on instant gratification and not in any way a bad thing for the show because it is clearly showing us the RIGHT way to go about doing things since every adulterous relationship has ended badly. That and the fact that this season has already made a point of doing things the RIGHT way vs the easy way (of which adultery would definitely count).
I was so proud of MM for putting an end to things with David even though we know that the REAL Snow & Charming are meant to be together. Perfect example of right vs wrong with REAL Snowing vs. CURSED Snowing. There’s a reason David got a lot of hate from the fans in Season 1. He was being anything other than Charming by cheating on Kathryn and it ended badly.
As someone who values marriage very highly (though I myself am not yet married) I would generally be offended by this idea as well for sure! But I’m not offended that one character suggested such a thing that another character did not act on. WE know it might have saved a heck of a lot of lives which makes it a morally grey area at best, but at the end of the day, it’s not surprising that somebody might think it was ok to do such a thing if it meant finding their true love (and really, what does Tink have to do all day as a fairy? She was probably bored and THOUGHT she was helping this clearly miserable person who she thought tried to kill herself find something to live for. She at least meant well even if she went about it the wrong way).
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