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When I was watching I thought, “Well they almost had an LGBTQ moment, if only Red hadn’t sat back up off of Mulan by the time that smoke cleared.”
I guess all of that, “Searching for my own kind,” talk from Red was meant to be some veiled hint at “her kind” actually beig the LGBTQ community in the EF? And if/when we see them again they’ll suddenly be in a relationship without us having had the chance to see it develop?
Not having Mulan mention Aurora as the one who broke her heart was a glaring omission. Their efforts on this issue are so half hearted, meanwhile they pat themselves on the back for it, and it’s infuriating!
[adrotate group="5"]Not having Mulan mention Aurora as the one who broke her heart was a glaring omission.
Hmmm I wonder if perhaps in-universe the reason she doesn’t specify that it’s Aurora is that perhaps people of the EF are not so accepting of such and she is perhaps just being careful because she doesn’t know that they’ll think.
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If “my kind” is supposed to refer to LGBT then that is kind of offensive as it separates LGBT as being different from the “normal” heterosexual population. It wouldn’t be acceptable if Ruby was black and was going to find “her kind” so why should it be acceptable if Ruby was LGBT?
Not having Mulan mention Aurora as the one who broke her heart was a glaring omission.
Hmmm I wonder if perhaps in-universe the reason she doesn’t specify that it’s Aurora is that perhaps people of the EF are not so accepting of such and she is perhaps just being careful because she doesn’t know that they’ll think.
The general population of the EF not being accepting of LGBT relationships is plausible though there would be some people who believe love is love regardless of gender etc, but for that reason to fly they need to SHOW that people have that general attitude.
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Keeper of FelixHmmm I wonder if perhaps in-universe the reason she doesn’t specify that it’s Aurora is that perhaps people of the EF are not so accepting of such and she is perhaps just being careful because she doesn’t know that they’ll think.
If that is so, it’s still a writing choice to make acceptance of gay, lesbian, transgender, intersexual, queer people an issue inside of the reality of the OUaT worlds too. But then it shouldn’t be something dropped by the way but actually made visible and reflected on. But this show doesn’t do that, reflect on society and culture, in general they don’t do it. Lack of caring resulting in lack of world building. It’s the same with throw away lines like “Oh, she’s a woman” – those lines are not there because of well thought out look at the worlds of OUaT, not because of actually being aware of societal issues inside the worlds of OUaT universe, IMO they are merely there because of our, the writers’ and audience’s reality, creating a nod or a joke. It’s all about punchlines.
Someone somewhere compared the episode with Dreamy – an episode which could have been about a love between different kind of people not accepted by society around them, and in the case of the Dwarves at least could have been a look at Asexuality and romance without naming it, an episode that many see as the most boring and out of connection episode so far, but The Bear King might be a match. Really odd for a show which the show runners claim to be about love and hope, that reflecting on diverse love is something they don’t know how to write good about. Furthermore, that they don’t make it an inbuilt theme at least in context with recurring characters but only once in a while feel like they have to do some special, out of context episode or even just a nearly forgettable moment. Their imagination of love is stuck somewhere in 1950s disneyfied white sub-urban middle-class idyll. That is when my disappointment about the show becomes a bit of anger, because OUaT is a show in the 21st century, a show claiming a modern new look at fairy tales, but what we get is some retrogeek fluff with boyish giggle.
Things like that have a place on the TV menue, but it’s silly entertainment and nothing innovative. And honestly, think a show like The Librarians does a better job with silly entertainment and fairy tales mythology wild mix. Different from OUat they don’t aspire to be anything but. The show runners of OUaT created expectations, and they are failing to fulfill them.
I get why the show nevertheless still has a huge LBGTQI+ following, and not reduced to SwanQueen shippers. It was the promise of a different, modern look at fairy tales, the promise of love and hope, but as much, not to underestimate, camp. We love camp, don’t we, costumes and dramatic makeup and stagy big gestures and mimic seldom fail to get us. Just missing the bombastic, cheesy music at times, no belt out “Let it go!” here.
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Not having Mulan mention Aurora as the one who broke her heart was a glaring omission. Their efforts on this issue are so half hearted, meanwhile they pat themselves on the back for it, and it’s infuriating!
And *this* is why I have no hope that when/if we revisit Mulan and Ruby it will be in anyway well thought out or meaningful or well developed or…you know…good. @Myril is right, the pronoun game will likely have something to do with EF society but it won’t be a commentary on said society (and by extension ours) it will be in order to set up that “punchline”
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Preach!
I personally think that Merida and Mulan had far more chemistry than Red and Mulan, but that is just my opinion. I still don’t know if Red and Mulan are the LBGT relationship that they have been talking about though…
My answer to the main question is yes, I think they do care about us (and I suspect many of the shows team actually exist within this camp anyway) and I think that is why they are trying to include the storyline in the first place. I do wish that they just hadn’t said anything about it though and let it just play out on screen! I think they have realised that talking about it in interviews has gone against what their initial intention was. It’s too early for us to make judgements IMO.
personally think that Merida and Mulan had far more chemistry than Red and Mulan, but that is just my opinion.
A lot of people shared that opinion actually.
It’s too early for us to make judgements IMO
Well, it is and it isn’t. It’s not like they’ve never done this before. Back in S2 and then into S3, Mulan clearly had feeling for Aurora but the writers left it intentionally vague on screen. They did the same thing this time around by having Mulan play the pronoun game. Now, could they surprise us next half and have Mulan and Ruby really develop a relationship and let it play out? Sure. Anything’s possible. But I doubt it will be explored in any meaningful way. We’ll probably see Mulan and Ruby one more time where it will be canonically established (probably, again, in a vague way) that they are together romantically and then they’ll ship them back to Forgotten Character Island.
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