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November 17, 2014 at 2:44 pm #290517SlurpeezParticipant
Regina said Henry doesn’t have magic, though he has his own gift, which is having the heart of the truest believer. Yet, when Henry was born, the lights flickered, as they did when Emma’s brother was born. Peter Pan said he was the product of dark and light magic, which is something Rumple also said in a deleted scene from 4×2. Also, Henry is now the apprentice to the dark one, meaning he could pick up a few things from his grandfather. Regina did previously offer to teach him magic in S2. Although Henry doesn’t appear to have magic now, he’s been shown to have a love-hate relationship with it over the years. In S2 Henry tried to destroy magic, while in S3 he tried to “save” magic. I think Regina and everyone may be surprised to learn Henry does have it. Henry learning dark magic from Rumple, as the dark one’s apprentice and also from Regina, a reformed dark magic addict, could be interesting. I also think Emma having light magic could help Henry “bring balance to the force” or something like that.
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November 17, 2014 at 2:52 pm #290520RumplesGirlKeymasterI’ve always said that it would be 100% weird for this kid to NOT have magic. But now…I don’t know. Ingrid thinks Baby Snowflake is normal too–don’t know if he actually is or not.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm #290523SlurpeezParticipantI’ve always said that it would be 100% weird for this kid to NOT have magic. But now…I don’t know. Ingrid thinks Baby Snowflake is normal too–don’t know if he actually is or not.
Yeah, but Zelena seemed to think baby Snowflake was special. Was it just because he represented innocence, or was it because he was born of his parents’ truest love, like Emma was? Plus, Ingrid seems kinda unhinged and unreliable.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 17, 2014 at 2:59 pm #290524tiara_roseParticipantBut Henry should have magic. That Henry hasn’t magic wouldn’t make any sense. I believe this magic will come out this season. What about that: Henry get su up in the hat instead of Emma, so they have to get him out and Rumple will loose his power so we can see him struggle with that and belle could see the nice spinning rumple after his phase of being cranky that he is now powerless. (Sorry, it is just I miss my Papa Rumple, my Spinner, the man who seems to believe in happy endings, just not for him).
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November 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm #290526RumplesGirlKeymasterI’ve always said that it would be 100% weird for this kid to NOT have magic. But now…I don’t know. Ingrid thinks Baby Snowflake is normal too–don’t know if he actually is or not.
Yeah, but Zelena seemed to think baby Snowflake was special. Was it just because he represented innocence, or was it because he was born of his parents’ truest magic, like Emma was? Plus, Ingrid seems kinda unhinged and unreliable.
Zelena also seems rather unhinged and unreliable, no?
I agree that baby Snowflake probably has magic–it wouldn’t make sense otherwise. I just don’t know about Henry because I think the writers themselves haven’t quite decided.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 17, 2014 at 3:07 pm #290527SlurpeezParticipantZelena also seems rather unhinged and unreliable, no?
True. I don’t know who is worse, Zelena or Ingrid, or therefore who to trust, if either. Both had their share of issues, that’s for sure. One thing is for sure: baby Snowflake was the missing ingredient in a powerful spell which successfully tore a hole in the fabric of time. Also, when did Ingrid declare baby Snowflake to be without magic?
I agree that baby Snowflake probably has magic–it wouldn’t make sense otherwise. I just don’t know about Henry because I think the writers themselves haven’t quite decided.
I think the writers have hinted at Henry having magic. I believe they said that the reason they deleted the scene of Henry and Rumple from 4×2 or 4×3 was because it was hinting at Henry’s arc for the season, and it may have given too much away. (i.e. Henry has magic of his own).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 17, 2014 at 4:08 pm #290551obisgirlParticipantThe rules about babies in general and magic confuse me, especially after what we know about Zelena. We know Cora had Zelena before Cora learned about magic and yet, Zelena had the gift of magic since birth. I’m still not sure how that’s possible. How could Zelena be magically inclined that early when Cora didn’t know about magic or even mastered it yet? Both of her parents at that point were not magical.
As for the lights flickering thing when Henry was born, I always interpreted that scene as Emma’s always had magic inside of her (she is the product of true love after all). I’m not sure if Henry has magic. If he did, I think it would have manifested itself a long time ago to be honest. Remember, he couldn’t remove his heart in Neverland, Pan had to put an enchantment on him in order for it be removed. And Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart in order for it to be protected, Regina had to do that.
November 17, 2014 at 4:10 pm #290554RumplesGirlKeymasterRemember, he couldn’t remove his heart in Neverland, Pan had to put an enchantment on him in order for it be removed. And Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart in order for it to be protected, Regina had to do that
Emma can’t take her heart either–no one can.
And why would Henry be able to protect his own heart just by instinct? You have to be taught how to do that OR you have to be Emma-level special.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 17, 2014 at 4:19 pm #290563SlurpeezParticipantAs for the lights flickering thing when Henry was born, I always interpreted that scene as Emma’s always had magic inside of her (she is the product of true love after all).
Well, I happen to think Henry is the product of true love, too, but that is a serious point of contention, I know. I’ll say that I don’t think it was Emma who made the lights flicker when Henry was born. I think it was Henry who did that. After all, it was directly paralleled to when baby Neal was born and the lights flickered. Snow didn’t do that, since she doesn’t have magic. Baby Neal did, just as I think Henry did.
I’m not sure if Henry has magic. If he did, I think it would have manifested itself a long time ago to be honest.
Well, I think Henry’s magic has yet to manifest itself. Just because it hasn’t yet, doesn’t mean it never will. In that the deleted scene from 4×2, Henry talks to Rumple about what his lineage might mean.
Rumple: You only think you can’t stand it, but you can. You know why? You have the lineage of the dark one, plus the blood of the savior running through your veins.
Henry: Does that mean something?
Rumple: Time will tell, but only if you let things unfold as they ought.My own conclusion is that this is a major hint of things to come. I believe Henry’s lineage of being born of Emma and Baelfire, as well as being raised by Regina, will culminate in Henry being a very powerful young wizard.
Remember, he couldn’t remove his heart in Neverland, Pan had to put an enchantment on him in order for it be removed. And Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart in order for it to be protected, Regina had to do that.
I remember. But Peter Pan required Henry to remove his own heart. Why is that? Well possibly because Peter Pan couldn’t remove it by force, but if Henry gave it willingly, it’s a gift, not a stolen thing. The reason Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart may have been because his own magic has yet to manifest, but as I said, I think that revelation has yet to come.
Emma can’t take her heart either–no one can.
Do we know for sure Emma can’t remove her own heart? We’ve never seen her try have we? We’ve only seen Cora fail at attempting to steal it. It might be Emma could remove her own heart if she so chose, but no one else could.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 17, 2014 at 4:22 pm #290564RumplesGirlKeymasterDo we know for sure Emma can’t remove her own heart? We’ve never seen her try have we? We’ve only seen Cora fail at attempting to steal it. It might be Emma could remove her own heart if she so chose, but no one else could.
Ok sure, assumption on my part. We just know that it can’t be taken by anyone (potentially excluding Emma). Zelena talked about how she couldn’t take Emma’s heart either.
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