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I believe Regina ultimately deserves happiness, but wanted to share a post on TV Guide that gave a convincing argument why she doesn’t:
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-queens-darkness/
I can’t take this show’s deification of Regina anymore. I can’t take Regina abusing all the other characters and them just taking it like they deserve it and then asking for more. The morality on this show has gotten so twisted, it’s actually scary. No way would I let my child watch this show.
The fact that the writers can say that REGINA of all people has gotten the short end of the stick is beyond disturbing and delusional. Compared to all the people she killed? Compared to Snow & Charming, who lost seeing their daughter grow up? Compared to Emma, who was left to grow up an unwanted foster child? Compared to Greg, whose father she murdered because they didn’t want to be her toys? Compared to all those children she sent to be killed in a witch’s cottage? Compared to all the people who WORKED for their happiness instead of simply expecting it to be handed to them on a silver platter? Yeah, right, she’s gotten the short end of the stick. That’s just INSANE. Boo hoo, Regina lost her boyfriend of two weeks because her murder victim didn’t stay dead. Boo hoo, somebody called Regina a villain when all she did was kill a bunch of people, cursed an entire kingdom, and raped a man for 28 years and then murdered him. Boo hoo, her slave Sidney didn’t want to go back into his mirror prison to do her bidding. Boo hoo.
The only pain Regina’s endured that she didn’t cause for herself was Daniel being killed. Everything else sprung from her own decisions — which she doesn’t even regret.
[adrotate group="5"]@haliwellmanor I agree with most of what you said. Even for a friendship to be plausible for Emma and Regina, some things need to be forgotten. Like how Regina was the reason Emma grew up without her parents, that Regina raped Graham and murdered him.
I know Regina has progressed a lot as a character but it is unsettling that for the sake of plot, things that she did in the past are just forgotten or even not mentioned. Like I would have liked for it have been really addressed (for more than one episode too) that Regina was going to murder Robin’s wife? That itself seems to have white washed since Regina saved Marian’s life three times now, it’s forgotten.
How does Robin feel about that? It’s like he doesn’t even care and Marian is the mother of his child!!
@haliwellmanor I agree with most of what you said. Even for a friendship to be plausible for Emma and Regina, some things need to be forgotten. Like how Regina was the reason Emma grew up without her parents, that Regina raped Graham and murdered him.
I know Regina has progressed a lot as a character but it is unsettling that for the sake of plot, things that she did in the past are just forgotten or even not mentioned. Like I would have liked for it have been really addressed (for more than one episode too) that Regina was going to murder Robin’s wife? That itself seems to have white washed since Regina saved Marian’s life three times now, it’s forgotten.
How does Robin feel about that? It’s like he doesn’t even care and Marian is the mother of his child!!
I agree and I’d also like this to extend to Hook’s redemption as well. It’s never actually been dealt with his shooting Belle over the town line. It’s too late now since him and Emma are basically knocking boots but that is something he should’ve been punished for back in season 2.
Neither Hook nor Regina have had a realisation moment, they’ve just stopped trying to kill the heroes. The only one who gets called out on their actions is Rumple repeatedly. Hook’s and Regina’s redemption arcs would be a lot more satisfying if we actually see them struggle with it instead of being handed an advance to go and collect $200 card.
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Keeper of FelixI agree and I’d also like this to extend to Hook’s redemption as well. It’s never actually been dealt with his shooting Belle over the town line. It’s too late now since him and Emma are basically knocking boots but that is something he should’ve been punished for back in season 2.
Neither Hook nor Regina have had a realisation moment, they’ve just stopped trying to kill the heroes. The only one who gets called out on their actions is Rumple repeatedly. Hook’s and Regina’s redemption arcs would be a lot more satisfying if we actually see them struggle with it instead of being handed an advance to go and collect $200 card.
I’m gonna have to ask that you please stay on topic, because I don’t want to see this thread turn into a bash any character we personally have issues with thread, which could quickly turn into all defenders of each character coming in to debate otherwise. This thread’s topic is a hot button issue in itself.
I think the enduring message of this show is one of hope. Hope in a better life. Hope in a happy ending. Hope that the universe will have your back. And all that hope stems from the idea that when you do good things, when you don’t put yourself first, that things will work out for you.
So in my opinion, it shouldn’t matter what a character has done in the past. It shouldn’t matter if they have fallen to their knees and apologized to all who they have wronged. It shouldn’t matter if they are snarky, or just plain mean. Because if that character can rise above their past evil’s and ignore that little voice in the head that is telling them to put themselves first, well then they have as much a right to a happy ending as anyone else.
I don’t believe she DESERVES it. Many characters who spent their lives trying their hardest to be good and help others have suffered awful fates, quite a few of them at her hands. While her mother and Rumple both abused and manipulated her for their own purposes, she herself actively made choices to become the Evil Queen and she fully lived up to the title, however much she is trying to escape the E word now. While the things she’s suffered make her descent into evil relatable and understandable, they do not excuse it. (Same goes for other characters we aren’t talking about right now.)
She is not owed a happy ending, and if this weren’t a fantasy, her getting it would strike all of us as horribly unfair. However, I still hope she gets one, and that by the time she does, she has fully demonstrated remorse for her past evils and worked hard to be redeemed and forgiven by those she’s hurt (which is basically everybody, remember). Still, I want her to have a happy ending because I want to believe that even the worst of us can become the heroes we want to be.
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I think Regina has changed a lot but in some ways, she hasn’t. It’s true, she’s more contemplative. But her knee-jerk reaction to Marian returning was find a way to kill her so she could get happy ending and the whole idea of finding the author of the book, stemmed from ‘forcing’ him to give her a happy ending. And when you say ‘force’ someone to do something that you want, generally speaking, that has a negative connotation and knowing Regina, ‘forcing’ the author could mean a number of things given her background.
I’m not sure if she’s remorseful at all for everything that she’s done. Heck, she even admitted to Pan that she has no regrets because everything she did, got her Henry.
So to include to that list, she doesn’t regret casting the curse, doesn’t regret murdering her father to cast said curse, doesn’t regret using and abusing Graham, she doesn’t regret tearing Emma away from her parents…the list goes on and on.
I’d like for Regina to at least acknowledge that she is responsible for screwing up most of Emma’s life (seeing as how they’re going to become BFF’s in 4B), but it’s not likely to happen.
Regina always wants a ‘quick’ happy ending. That was the purpose of the original dark curse because she wanted a happy ending now and screw everyone and theirs. Now she feels that a happy ending is somehow owed to her or that she is entitled to one (which I have a lot of issues with because she’s not even addressing the previous issues). Finding the author is instant gratification for Regina. It’s about what she wants now and who cares about whatever consequences (if there any), you worry about that later.
No one is owed or entitled to anything on this show. Adam and Eddy have said, happy endings are subjective. They’re different for everyone because everyone’s story is different.
I do think Adam and Eddy wrote themselves into a corner with the whole ‘bringing back Marian’ and then her not even being physically present for most of 4A. In my mind, I was hoping that she would have been around for longer but instead, they made her a popsicle and a plot device to see how much Regina has changed (which could have done other ways).
Lana: Emma and Regina are stronger together, like the yin and yang, the light and dark. Working together they’re much more powerful.#OUAT
— Casting La Serie (@castinglaserie) February 28, 2015
Lana: Regina has learned a lot from her mistakes, and she doesn’t want to see Emma make the same mistakes.#OUAT #SwanQueen
— Casting La Serie (@castinglaserie) February 28, 2015
Lana: Regina is going to stand by Emma's and protect her as much as she possibly can to make sure she doesn’t cross over to the darkness.
— Casting La Serie (@castinglaserie) February 28, 2015
Now can we all please drop the E word?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I think the enduring message of this show is one of hope. Hope in a better life. Hope in a happy ending. Hope that the universe will have your back. And all that hope stems from the idea that when you do good things, when you don’t put yourself first, that things will work out for you. So in my opinion, it shouldn’t matter what a character has done in the past. It shouldn’t matter if they have fallen to their knees and apologized to all who they have wronged. It shouldn’t matter if they are snarky, or just plain mean. Because if that character can rise above their past evil’s and ignore that little voice in the head that is telling them to put themselves first, well then they have as much a right to a happy ending as anyone else.
Boy…this thread…okay then…I think I’m just going to leave now.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
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