Does Rumple’s Dagger Wield Any Power in Storybrooke?

[Phee]

@Kellyn1604 wrote:

I see Rumple’s power as being layered.

Just like love is. 😉

So he gained new powers in order to be able to create the curse. Maybe the the powers he has right now are those extra ones that aren’t tied into the Dark One curse. So, I don’t think even with magic in Storybrooke the dagger will be able to control him.

I like that idea, that the only powers he has now are additional ones he learned, and the essence of the actual Dark One is no longer in effect. Problem is, I keep coming back to, “The Dark One summons thee,” in Broken, because that just doesn’t fit.

It would make sense to me if he wasn’t the Dark One any more. It explains away the kissing not having an effect, (you know that’s not the only time they’ve kissed in SB…there was that scene where Belle woke up and noticed he wasn’t in bed beside her, so there’s been kissing), because if he’s not cursed, then there’s nothing for the kiss to fix. But that dang Broken scene just doesn’t jive with that! GAH! *headdesk*

Could the dagger still have held a certain amount of power, the way Regina’s trinkets did? Not running at full capacity, but just enough juice to perform a trick or two, like summoning a Wraith?

@Mich7 wrote:

I was basing it on what Emma said…her assumption is that he is indeed immortal but you are correct we really don’t know that for sure however I wouldn’t put it past the writers to let her saying that be their way of confirming it…they’ve been leaving a lot open like that lately.

Perhaps they’ve made a point of people saying it, because everyone believes it to be true, but they’re setting it up to shock everyone and show that it’s actually quite the opposite, and he can be killed/injured like any old mortal can be. (I don’t believe he’ll be killed off at all, but think it’d be interesting to see him critically injured by a stab wound.)

As for Belle’s true love’s kiss…one of the big mysteries of OUaT for me personally…it’s supposed to be able to break any curse and yet Rumple resisted when she first kissed him…I’m beginning to wonder if the one who is cursed is unwilling to give up their curse that even true loves kiss might not be able to break it. If that were true, Belle kissing him might not matter…either that or he has perfected a way to resist.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation, that one has to be willing to give up the curse for the kiss to work. The other time we saw a kiss not work was with Snowing, when she didn’t remember. The kiss did work when he almost sacrificed his life for her, so it’s fair to say that she was willing to give it up when that happened and they kissed again.

So perhaps Rumple just isn’t willing to let his curse go yet, and no amount of kissing can change that. Only glitch with that is that when he kissed her in the hospital, I got the sense that in that moment, he would have given it all up to bring her back. But it didn’t appear to affect him.

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

I can only imagine the flowcharts filled with facts that are sitting in those creative offices. How do they ever keep track of everything!

For real! It’d be like a chaotic work of art.

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@Phee wrote:

It would make sense to me if he wasn’t the Dark One any more. It explains away the kissing not having an effect, (you know that’s not the only time they’ve kissed in SB…there was that scene where Belle woke up and noticed he wasn’t in bed beside her, so there’s been kissing), because if he’s not cursed, then there’s nothing for the kiss to fix. But that dang Broken scene just doesn’t jive with that! GAH! *headdesk*

Could the dagger still have held a certain amount of power, the way Regina’s trinkets did? Not running at full capacity, but just enough juice to perform a trick or two, like summoning a Wraith?

Maybe he just likes to call himself the Dark One because it gives him an edge over others…playing on their fears and it’s really only the dagger that retains some of the magic from the Dark One curse, like you said. I wouldn’t tell people I don’t have all my powers. Let them believe I am capable of more than I actually am. It’s not lying, per se, just not correcting an assumption.

[Slurpeez]

@Mich7 wrote:

The only way Rumple became immortal was through the curse of the dagger…if he is still immortal or immortal again I would think that the curse was reactivated through the bringing of magic to our world. He’s still the Dark One…he’s just been able to make better decisions with Belle’s help imo.

Rumple is still the Dark One in SB, since he said to the wraith, “The dark one summons you,” in 2×1. That being said, however, we’ve heard it repeated that magic is different in SB than it is in the Enchanted Forest. Mr. Gold brought magic derived from true love to SB, which could mean dark magic doesn’t have full sway there. Even as the dark one, Rumple said in 1×16 that true love is the greatest magic. Daniel repeated this same line in 1×18. True love being the greatest magic of all is a major recurring theme in this series. Cora, who taught Regina that love is weakness, learned from Emma, the product of true love, that love is actually strength in 2×9.

So, true love magic seems to be greater than dark magic, and magic derived from true love is what permeates SB. That could be why the dark one curse has less power in SB, why Rumple isn’t greenish-gold in color, and why Mr. Gold still has his limp and needs a cane. The presence of true love magic could’ve already diminished the strength of the dark one curse so significantly that Belle’s true love kiss didn’t have much more to “undo” in terms of Rumpel’s curse in SB.

Phee wrote:

As for Belle’s true love’s kiss…one of the big mysteries of OUaT for me personally…it’s supposed to be able to break any curse and yet Rumple resisted when she first kissed him…I’m beginning to wonder if the one who is cursed is unwilling to give up their curse that even true loves kiss might not be able to break it. If that were true, Belle kissing him might not matter…either that or he has perfected a way to resist.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation, that one has to be willing to give up the curse for the kiss to work. The other time we saw a kiss not work was with Snowing, when she didn’t remember. The kiss did work when he almost sacrificed his life for her, so it’s fair to say that she was willing to give it up when that happened and they kissed again.

So perhaps Rumple just isn’t willing to let his curse go yet, and no amount of kissing can change that. Only glitch with that is that when he kissed her in the hospital, I got the sense that in that moment, he would have given it all up to bring her back. But it didn’t appear to affect him.

I like the idea that Mr. Gold has to be willing to release his curse before it can be completely removed through true love’s kiss. I don’t think it’s a glitch that when Mr. Gold kissed Belle in the hospital, his curse wasn’t lifted. Rather, I think that kiss didn’t result in a rainbow beam because Belle doesn’t remember who she or Rumple is, and so she can’t love him. So, in order for the dark one curse to be lifted, the stars have to align perfectly such that Mr. Gold has to want to give up his curse and Belle has to fall in love again with him. Voila, rainbows! 🙂

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[mich7]

@Phee wrote:

@Mich7 wrote:

As for Belle’s true love’s kiss…one of the big mysteries of OUaT for me personally…it’s supposed to be able to break any curse and yet Rumple resisted when she first kissed him…I’m beginning to wonder if the one who is cursed is unwilling to give up their curse that even true loves kiss might not be able to break it. If that were true, Belle kissing him might not matter…either that or he has perfected a way to resist.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation, that one has to be willing to give up the curse for the kiss to work. The other time we saw a kiss not work was with Snowing, when she didn’t remember. The kiss did work when he almost sacrificed his life for her, so it’s fair to say that she was willing to give it up when that happened and they kissed again.

So perhaps Rumple just isn’t willing to let his curse go yet, and no amount of kissing can change that. Only glitch with that is that when he kissed her in the hospital, I got the sense that in that moment, he would have given it all up to bring her back. But it didn’t appear to affect him.

Perhaps it depends on who is doing the kissing..Belle kissed Rumple in his castle with the intent of breaking his curse…he kissed back and the curse was breaking until he found out what she was doing and resisted. He kissed Belle in the hospital with the intent of curing her amnesia but she did not kiss back much the same as the first time Snow did not return PC’s kiss. Snow had to in turn be willing to kiss PC. What I’m trying to get at is that maybe the one who initiates the kiss is the one that determines whose curse is about to be broken. And in the case of amnesia the kiss must be returned by the target. I hope they eventually explain it all…it really is kind of foggy imo.

Of course the big difference between Snow and Belle’s amnesia is that Snow only forgot PC (and a darker personality emerged). She had all her other memories intact so I would think responding to PC would be easier for her than Belle responding to Rumple. Belle not only does not know who Rumple is…she doesn’t know anything about her past life in FTL. If she still had the Belle personality (or at least some memories of the life that gave her that personality) she might be drawn to Rumple quicker but as far as we know she has nothing to draw upon. I have a sinking feeling that they may drag this one out…especially since there is a good possibility that Neal is Bae…most of Rumple’s time may be spent in that storyline rather than the Belle one.

[playarita]

I think it depends on the world it is in. Rumple did say that magic is unpredictable in this world. Now I was wondering if it was all magic or certain kinds of magic. Does the state of the world we live in make it easier to power up certain types of magic? (Like true love seems to exist much more frequently in Fairytale land and has the power to break curses, poisons etc but here honestly it is fairly rare and does not have that kind of power).

Our world is a fairly bleak place with some rays of sunshine. Would that mean that dark magic has a lot more “energy” to use as a energy source?

Depending on how magic works in this world (its unpredictability, its energy source) and the precautions Rumple took (like the misspelled name on the dagger–was it a prop error or his way of using the power of the name to make it so he could not be controlled and his burying something in the forest)… I think that is going to determine how much power the dagger has.

[mich7]

True that it is unpredictable but never the less true loves kiss has been seen to work in this world (twice) the same way it did in FTL. As for the question of the energy source…very interesting…I would think that it is somehow tied to the true loves potion Rumple used. If that is the source of magic in this world…it probably means that when Emma’s magic is developed she’ll be the most powerful one on this side of the fence. Still a lot of unanswered questions….but then again I’ve still got unanswered questions about Lost.lol

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