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March 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm #178532RumplesGirlKeymaster
Well I do love Bronte sisters, but that doesn’t mean I want to see Heathcliff and Rochester running around on the Moors in this show. Actually, I think if they did that, it wouldn’t turn out well. So, I hope they stick with Frankie and leave it alone. (if we even ever go back… there is so much it sounds like they’re going to do next season with Pan and Hook and Neverland, so unless the Frankie story really fits into what’s going on presently, I can see them putting it aside for awhile).
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm #178533TheGoldenKeyParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Well I do love Bronte sisters, but that doesn’t mean I want to see Heathcliff and Rochester running around on the Moors in this show. Actually, I think if they did that, it wouldn’t turn out well. So, I hope they stick with Frankie and leave it alone. (if we even ever go back… there is so much it sounds like they’re going to do next season with Pan and Hook and Neverland, so unless the Frankie story really fits into what’s going on presently, I can see them putting it aside for awhile).
Oh my word! A tormented Heathcliff! I’d love that! 😀 😀 😀
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March 9, 2013 at 8:42 pm #178534jessieparadoxes of peopleParticipantBut if Gerhart was just as he was,a deranged monster chained up,why would Viktor say it ended badly unless he was referring to their father being killed,or Gerhart not being in his right mind?And not that their father’s death and Gerhart’s insanity aren’t bad,they are;but the implication in that statement just seemed to say that something worse happened.@RumplesGirl:I agree with you,and I am very curious to see how Viktor’s story fits in with an ep called “Secon Star to the Right…”
Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remains
March 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm #178536PriceofMagicParticipantPerhaps something happens to Bae and he’s rushed to hospital. We know something happens between Rumple and Bae which is a game changer. We know Bae isn’t a regular but a recurring with option for season 3. What if Bae dies? Belle will probably get her memories back by the end of Lacey, and because Rumbelle aren’t allowed to be happy for too long, perhaps Bae’s death sends Rumple careening back to the dark side.
Bae’s going to find out about Milah, he has to because Hook can’t keep his mouth shut. I reckon Rumple and Bae will be on speaking terms, Belle will get her memory back, and just as it looks like Rumple’s going to get some happiness with his son and Belle back in his life, along comes Hook to ruin it all. Once Hook reveals the truth about Milah, Bae is going to reject Rumple then something happens to Bae and he either dies or ends up in a coma that he’ll never wake from.
Bae’s death would then have far reaching repercussions.
Rumple- Bae’s death could set up Rumple as the villain of season 3. Knowing that his son died hating him, Rumple would fall off the redemption wagon big time and revert back to his evil ways. Whereas everything Rumple did back in Fairytale land was to find his son, without his son, Rumple is lost. Instead of being motivated by vengeance (Regina) or power (Cora) Rumple is motivated by grief. We know Rumple is addicted to magic. With Bae and Belle in his life, he will probably try and go clean, but with Bae’s death, Rumple will relapse and become worse than ever. Belle will stand by him, but it’ll be an interesting obstacle in their relationship as Belle tries to pull Rumple from his descent into self destruction. We know Henry is meant to be Rumple’s “undoing”, what if because Henry is Rumple’s last link to Bae, it is Henry that pulls Rumple from his destructive cycle and prevents him from going through with whatever evil plan he had going.
Henry- Bae’s death could lead to Henry starting to pull away from Emma. He may feel that, because Emma lied to him about his father being dead, she prevented Henry from having as much time with his dad as he could have had. He could even blame Emma for Bae’s death by telling her that she wished Bae dead (because of her lie about Henry’s father being dead). Henry’s growing up so he’s not going to tell Emma everything like he currently does. He’s no longer going to be that optimistic little kid Emma first met in season 1 and that is going to worry Emma. Henry’s going to be darker, angrier, and probably going to start dabbling in magic. It’ll be harmless magic at first, but as the seasons progress and Henry gets older, the magic is going to start getting darker.
Emma- Emma still has feeling for Bae but she is still too closed off and emotionally guarded to allow anyone to get close to her again. She won’t tell Bae how she feels because she worries that if she opens herself up to him again, he’ll only hurt her again. Bae’s death would come as a shock to Emma because it would be sudden and unexpected and she’ll never get the chance again to tell him how she feels. His death would make her realise that if she keeps her emotional walls up all the time, she’s never going to be happy, and that she’ll be alone forever. Season 3 would be the perfect time to introduce a love interest for Emma that will eventually be end game (Not Hook).
At the moment we all assume that Rumple and Bae will eventually reunite properly, that SwanFire will be end game etc, but Bae’s death would be a real curveball for the audience as they wouldn’t expect it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMarch 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm #178539TheGoldenKeyParticipant@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
But if Gerhart was just as he was,a deranged monster chained up,why would Viktor say it ended badly unless he was referring to their father being killed,or Gerhart not being in his right mind?And not that their father’s death and Gerhart’s insanity aren’t bad,they are;but the implication in that statement just seemed to say that something worse happened.@RumplesGirl:I agree with you,and I am very curious to see how Viktor’s story fits in with an ep called “Secon Star to the Right…”
Because it did end badly. Gerhard killed his father and has gone insane.
I really don’t want to debate the issue as we both just have a slightly different take on it. 😀 That’s ok. 😀 Dead or alive, it would be nice to see more of his story and what happened or will happen.
As for Dr. Whale being in episode 2×21. Who knows. He’s a doctor and they are always needed in SB 🙂 Maybe they’ll surprise us with a whalewolf date! Wouldn’t that be terrific! 😆
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
March 9, 2013 at 9:11 pm #178542RumplesGirlKeymasterI think Dr. Whale being in 2×21 indicates that the whole of SB is moving realms, not just some of them. Like on LOST where some people wanted to leave and some stayed behind. But in this case all of them are going because I think the real big bad for the end of the season is the outside world and Greg and HER aren’t going to give them a choice: flee to Neverland or be hounded by news media who have uncovered magic.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 9, 2013 at 9:14 pm #178544jessieparadoxes of peopleParticipant@PriceofMagic wrote:
Perhaps something happens to Bae and he’s rushed to hospital. We know something happens between Rumple and Bae which is a game changer. We know Bae isn’t a regular but a recurring with option for season 3. What if Bae dies? Belle will probably get her memories back by the end of Lacey, and because Rumbelle aren’t allowed to be happy for too long, perhaps Bae’s death sends Rumple careening back to the dark side.
Bae’s going to find out about Milah, he has to because Hook can’t keep his mouth shut. I reckon Rumple and Bae will be on speaking terms, Belle will get her memory back, and just as it looks like Rumple’s going to get some happiness with his son and Belle back in his life, along comes Hook to ruin it all. Once Hook reveals the truth about Milah, Bae is going to reject Rumple then something happens to Bae and he either dies or ends up in a coma that he’ll never wake from.
Bae’s death would then have far reaching repercussions.
Rumple- Bae’s death could set up Rumple as the villain of season 3. Knowing that his son died hating him, Rumple would fall off the redemption wagon big time and revert back to his evil ways. Whereas everything Rumple did back in Fairytale land was to find his son, without his son, Rumple is lost. Instead of being motivated by vengeance (Regina) or power (Cora) Rumple is motivated by grief. We know Rumple is addicted to magic. With Bae and Belle in his life, he will probably try and go clean, but with Bae’s death, Rumple will relapse and become worse than ever. Belle will stand by him, but it’ll be an interesting obstacle in their relationship as Belle tries to pull Rumple from his descent into self destruction. We know Henry is meant to be Rumple’s “undoing”, what if because Henry is Rumple’s last link to Bae, it is Henry that pulls Rumple from his destructive cycle and prevents him from going through with whatever evil plan he had going.
Henry- Bae’s death could lead to Henry starting to pull away from Emma. He may feel that, because Emma lied to him about his father being dead, she prevented Henry from having as much time with his dad as he could have had. He could even blame Emma for Bae’s death by telling her that she wished Bae dead (because of her lie about Henry’s father being dead). Henry’s growing up so he’s not going to tell Emma everything like he currently does. He’s no longer going to be that optimistic little kid Emma first met in season 1 and that is going to worry Emma. Henry’s going to be darker, angrier, and probably going to start dabbling in magic. It’ll be harmless magic at first, but as the seasons progress and Henry gets older, the magic is going to start getting darker.
Emma- Emma still has feeling for Bae but she is still too closed off and emotionally guarded to allow anyone to get close to her again. She won’t tell Bae how she feels because she worries that if she opens herself up to him again, he’ll only hurt her again. Bae’s death would come as a shock to Emma because it would be sudden and unexpected and she’ll never get the chance again to tell him how she feels. His death would make her realise that if she keeps her emotional walls up all the time, she’s never going to be happy, and that she’ll be alone forever. Season 3 would be the perfect time to introduce a love interest for Emma that will eventually be end game (Not Hook).
At the moment we all assume that Rumple and Bae will eventually reunite properly, that SwanFire will be end game etc, but Bae’s death would be a real curveball for the audience as they wouldn’t expect it.
Very interesting theory,PriceofMagic!!!! I hope it doesn’t come to fruition,but I like it.
Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remains
March 9, 2013 at 9:15 pm #178545RumplesGirlKeymasterPriceofMagic: ARG! That’s a good theory. And now I’m panicked that we’re going to lose Bae.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm #178546TheGoldenKeyParticipantInteresting thoughts PoM. However, we won’t be losing Bae. K&H said that Neal, Hook & Emma make for an interesting love triangle down the road. That wouldn’t be until next season. So, no risk of losing Bae, he’ll be around for a long while yet.
There really aren’t any clues surrounding Dr. Whale’s reason for being in 2×21. He’s been used as a filler before so it wouldn’t be unusual to see him in this capacity again.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
March 9, 2013 at 9:32 pm #178547RumplesGirlKeymasterI really want them to make MRJ a full fledged cast member. He’s perfect as Bae in my opinion.
He could be filler, but would they put him as filler in the second to last season episode? I doubt it. Last year the second to last was the classic Apple Snow/Evil Queen story. Based on the title, I can guess it won’t be a Frankie story.
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