Dr. Whale returns for this episode

[Slurpeez]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Perhaps something happens to Bae and he’s rushed to hospital. We know something happens between Rumple and Bae which is a game changer. We know Bae isn’t a regular but a recurring with option for season 3. What if Bae dies? Belle will probably get her memories back by the end of Lacey, and because Rumbelle aren’t allowed to be happy for too long, perhaps Bae’s death sends Rumple careening back to the dark side.

Bae’s going to find out about Milah, he has to because Hook can’t keep his mouth shut. I reckon Rumple and Bae will be on speaking terms, Belle will get her memory back, and just as it looks like Rumple’s going to get some happiness with his son and Belle back in his life, along comes Hook to ruin it all. Once Hook reveals the truth about Milah, Bae is going to reject Rumple then something happens to Bae and he either dies or ends up in a coma that he’ll never wake from.

Bae’s death would then have far reaching repercussions.

Rumple- Bae’s death could set up Rumple as the villain of season 3. Knowing that his son died hating him, Rumple would fall off the redemption wagon big time and revert back to his evil ways. Whereas everything Rumple did back in Fairytale land was to find his son, without his son, Rumple is lost. Instead of being motivated by vengeance (Regina) or power (Cora) Rumple is motivated by grief. We know Rumple is addicted to magic. With Bae and Belle in his life, he will probably try and go clean, but with Bae’s death, Rumple will relapse and become worse than ever. Belle will stand by him, but it’ll be an interesting obstacle in their relationship as Belle tries to pull Rumple from his descent into self destruction. We know Henry is meant to be Rumple’s “undoing”, what if because Henry is Rumple’s last link to Bae, it is Henry that pulls Rumple from his destructive cycle and prevents him from going through with whatever evil plan he had going.

Henry- Bae’s death could lead to Henry starting to pull away from Emma. He may feel that, because Emma lied to him about his father being dead, she prevented Henry from having as much time with his dad as he could have had. He could even blame Emma for Bae’s death by telling her that she wished Bae dead (because of her lie about Henry’s father being dead). Henry’s growing up so he’s not going to tell Emma everything like he currently does. He’s no longer going to be that optimistic little kid Emma first met in season 1 and that is going to worry Emma. Henry’s going to be darker, angrier, and probably going to start dabbling in magic. It’ll be harmless magic at first, but as the seasons progress and Henry gets older, the magic is going to start getting darker.

Emma- Emma still has feeling for Bae but she is still too closed off and emotionally guarded to allow anyone to get close to her again. She won’t tell Bae how she feels because she worries that if she opens herself up to him again, he’ll only hurt her again. Bae’s death would come as a shock to Emma because it would be sudden and unexpected and she’ll never get the chance again to tell him how she feels. His death would make her realise that if she keeps her emotional walls up all the time, she’s never going to be happy, and that she’ll be alone forever. Season 3 would be the perfect time to introduce a love interest for Emma that will eventually be end game (Not Hook).

At the moment we all assume that Rumple and Bae will eventually reunite properly, that SwanFire will be end game etc, but Bae’s death would be a real curveball for the audience as they wouldn’t expect it.

I don’t even want to utter the possibility of Bae’s death, and the reason I don’t think it’ll happen is because we’ve yet to see young Peter Pan in Neverland. I’m not sure if we’ll see him in the last two episodes, given the titles, but I think we won’t meet him until season 3, according to the producers. If Bae is Peter, then I think we must hear Bae tell his version of his own tale. Plus, Baelfire’s death is just too tragic! In my opinion, he has to live because he is Henry’s and Emma’s chance for a happy family ending, and this show is all about hope. I think Bae is Emma’s endgame and her true love.

[TheGoldenKey]

Agree with both RumplesGirl and Slurpeez. Bae is the story. He’s the man we’ve all been waiting for. No way would they kill him off. He is Henry, Emma & Rumple’s happy ending! 😀

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[PriceofMagic]

Perhaps they won’t kill him off this season but if they want to show the audience that nobody is really safe, killing Bae would be the way to go.

Hook is going to tell Bae about Milah at some point. He has to. If he can’t kill Rumple, then destroying Rumple’s chance of a reunion with Bae would be the next thing on Hook’s list.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Perhaps they won’t kill him off this season but if they want to show the audience that nobody is really safe, killing Bae would be the way to go.

Hook is going to tell Bae about Milah at some point. He has to. If he can’t kill Rumple, then destroying Rumple’s chance of a reunion with Bae would be the next thing on Hook’s list.

I agree with you on the second part. Hook’s revenge first went after Belle, the place where Rumple keeps his heart, so next on the list would be Bae. EXCEPT if Hook and NealFire have met before and have a different relationship than the one we might expect from Peter Pan and Hook. Hook doesn’t seem like the antagonist of Neverland, he seemed to have been a friend to the Lost Boys, and perhaps a father figure to NealFire Pan. So if that’s the case, would he still go after Bae?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Agree with both RumplesGirl and Slurpeez. Bae is the story. He’s the man we’ve all been waiting for. No way would they kill him off. He is Henry, Emma & Rumple’s happy ending! 😀

I will agree on two counts and somewhat argue/play Devil’s Advocate on the third:

1) Having him in Henry’s life is a good thing and will help him ultimately be happy I’m sure (he just wants his family back, I get it, but as his family has proven time and time again they are a very dysfunctional bunch. Not all of them get along, but on one point they can agree: they all love Henry)

2) Bae (along with Belle) are Rumple’s happy ending. He’s the reason Rumple put all of this in motion. Clearly there’s no arguing this.

3) The Emma thing…and no, for once I’m not arguing for any other ships (for either of them even though I have a few ideas). Emma is one tough cookie and can technically stand on her own (I’d like her to find love with whoever, even if the writers kill me with the wrong pairing for the 2nd time (still haven’t forgiven you Lost people, grr). BUT, nothing anywhere (so far) says that NealFire Pan has to absolutely be Emma’s happy ending. They have a lot of issues to work out. They clearly need to find a way to at least get along for Henry’s sake. And yes, in FTL first loves are usually true loves, etc etc. However, Emma is a NEW character and she grew up in OUR world where sometimes, that just doesn’t work out. If you can find a way to make peace with each other when a kid is involved and be there for him then great! Doesn’t mean they absolutely HAVE to be endgame (I feel that the fandom is pretty divided about this actually – their perceived “meant to be” vs please have something more original and less exactly like in FTL because they’re not in FTL, they haven’t spent most of their lives there).

If Henry is ever proven to be a product of true love (magically speaking: like Snowing & RumBelle and Aurora / Phillip have been proven in magical terms – curses being broken), then that’ll settle that. Until then, Emma is and always has been a NEW character with no pre-determined definite guy. They’ve always said they were throwing possible love interests her way and that she’s got a lot to work through etc. Also we’re a long way from endgame regardless.

Would it be sweet that the cause of the curse and the savior of it got together? Sure. Does it need to happen “just because they have a kid and it would be his happy ending”? No. Henry is gonna have to grow up sometime and just be grateful everybody in his family loves him even when they hate each other. That would be a real world fairy tale for some kids and our FTL characters are now in the real world. Sometimes settling for ok IS a happy ending, especially when the alternative is that your adoptive mom keeps trying to kill everybody else you love.

Looking back to last season when they set up the possibility of WoodenSwan it seemed sweet at first too: 2 FTL kids, abandoned in the real world, find each other again someday, he helps her believe in the curse and save everyone they love. That was before we found out that August royally screwed up…but it was still a sweet setup.

As was Gremma (oh how I miss you) in that their kiss showed Emma was willing to open her heart again, it gave him his memories back, etc, etc. Then you had the intense chemistry and strong belief from MadSwan because Jefferson too knew who he was & believed in Emma and her abilities when she herself did not. The list goes on and on.

Emma has been paired with just about everybody on this show and nothing has stuck. Is it probably endgame, sadly yes…but for right now I still enjoy the fact that we can see potential for Emma with more than one guy (yes some of us can see BOTH CaptainSwan and SwanFire, even if we have a preferance), and the fact that we don’t know going into it that it absolutely HAS to be so-and-so. All the other pairings you know have to eventually get together so there’s no real drama, no major shakeups, the true loves are the same as the ones we expect from all our Disney favorites.

With Emma there’s a chance for *gasp* shipping wars. As much as I hate it (especially since I do see potential in a lot of things – though I do defend the one most don’t only because I feel attacked for liking it), it means that we are all invested in the show. We care about the characters, we defend those we love, we see things through different filters and we look for clues pointing to why it should be one or the other and what makes sense to us. It gives us something to fight for. Even the canon True Love couples have their fans as well as those who hate them. To each their own.

For some it may be that they loved each other before (before they both changed drastically I might add) and that they have a kid and therefore it should be about Henry’s happy ending. And who knows, perhaps the show really is about Henry finding Emma, saving his world and bringing his family back together. I just hate the idea that toward the end of season two we’re defining endgame absolutes that haven’t been proven to us yet. If Henry is proven the product of true love then fine, it’ll get predictable like all the other pairings, and it’s just the journey. I’m ok with that. I like the journey so far, wherever it may go.

Alllll that said I actually am happy that Neal ended up being Bae for the sole reason that it does create all of these other possibilities, makes this whole big family crazier, and that Henry will be able to have all of these people in his life because his dad is from FTL too and not just some random outsider who won’t want to stay wherever they end up.

Let’s take things one step at a time and just enjoy whatever parts we enjoy and relish in the fact that Neal is Bae for awhile, without tacking on absolutes. Just my 2 cents.

PS: Sorry to anybody I upset, I’m just a firm believer in waiting til we see proof (I don’t take dead bodies from Cora’s lips seriously til we see them *cough* Lancelot *cough* and I don’t trust in absolute true loves unless it breaks a curse). Not trying to be mean-spirited or direct hatred at a ship I actually do like – at times (contrary to popular belief). I just tend to be more vocal about one over the other because there are more defenders of SwanFire than there are of CaptainSwan, at least around here.

My main desire is actually for a less predictable path when we haven’t had to rule that out yet. Anything that is shown to us I’ll gladly take into consideration and revise my thinking on in the future. Here’s hoping I don’t resent endgame *curse you Lost* (in other words, whoever ends up with whoever – for any pairing on the show – better earn it. The show needs to MAKE me see it and GIVE ME REASONS it makes sense. I can play Devil’s Advocate all day, just give me something to work with definitive and don’t rule anything out until then – that’s my motto. All’s fair game until it isn’t.)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

it means that we are all invested in the show. We care about the characters, we defend those we love, we see things through different filters and we look for clues pointing to why it should be one or the other and what makes sense to us. It gives us something to fight for. Even the canon True Love couples have their fans as well as those who hate them. To each their own.

THIS.

Until then, Emma is and always has been a NEW character with no pre-determined definite guy. They’ve always said they were throwing possible love interests her way and that she’s got a lot to work through etc. Also we’re a long way from endgame regardless.

I do agree with you there. Emma’s not a set in stone fairy tale. And neither is Bae. What makes them so unique is 1) there are no Emma or Bae fairy tales to begin with and 2) they grew up in a land without magic. Where “true love” isn’t so commonplace as it was in FTL. I think this gives the writers a lot of paths to follow. Hence Tamara, CaptainSwan, Gremma, and anything else they might throw at those two. SwanFire might be endgame, but as you said…it’s only S2.

And I gotta ask, being a die hard LOST fan myself, what couple were you not happy with? I have a feeling I can guess cause it’s probably the triangle where you were either totally one or the other….

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

PS: that was a really fantastic post. Very well thought out and excellent points. I could have commented on many things, those were just the two that jumped out at me.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

Thanks so much RumplesGirl!

In answer to your Lost question, I was a total Skater – love Sawyer; Jack just annoyed me by the end so you can understand why I might worry – just hope they at least sell me on whoever the end couples are a bit better this time and frankly I think they will. I love what they’ve done so far for the most part and they usually present things in a way that I can learn to love it eventually.

As I said I can usually play Devil’s Advocate. Lost was one time I couldn’t as much, so was heartbroken by that choice (though I’m sure as many people hated it, that many of maybe *gulp* even more were thrilled. Such is the nature of the beast.)

For the record I’m really trying not to be so long-winded but some things just take up a lot of space to explain fully. Thank you for saying it was worth it in this instance. I hate half-arguing something just to be short that ends up leaving too many openings for misinterpretation. 🙁 Probably doesn’t help that I am vocal about one pairing which makes it look like I’m just mad my ship might not happen again. I only do it because they seem to need the most defending. I really do like other pairings too!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[MatthewPaul]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I do agree with you there. Emma’s not a set in stone fairy tale. And neither is Bae. What makes them so unique is 1) there are no Emma or Bae fairy tales to begin with and 2) they grew up in a land without magic. Where “true love” isn’t so commonplace as it was in FTL. I think this gives the writers a lot of paths to follow. Hence Tamara, CaptainSwan, Gremma, and anything else they might throw at those two. SwanFire might be endgame, but as you said…it’s only S2.

This is one of the reasons why I DON’T want Bae to be Peter Pan. His character would no longer be unique if he turns out to really be one of the most iconic storybook characters of all time.

[RumplesGirl]

MysteryKat: Ahhhh. I thought so! Total Jater over here, but I will admit that by the end I didnt think Kate deserved either of them. I passionately hated Juliette until she was put with Sawyer

This is one of the reasons why I DON’T want Bae to be Peter Pan. His character would no longer be unique if he turns out to really be one of the most iconic storybook characters of all time.

That’s actually a really good point and one I hadn’t considered. It would change the nature of Bae pretty dramatically. Suddenly there are expectations about what he’s supposed to be doing. And if Tamara really is Tink or Tiger Lily, people might argue that he should be with one of the them since it's the more normal approach to his story You’ve given me something to think about going forward with NealFire.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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