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Ok, this is a bit of a rant that I want to get off my chest. I feel the biggest issue with the way the show handles its core relationships is that there is so much “angst, angst, angst”, with not enough room to breathe. I know Jane Espenson in particular has made her opinion known that she doesn’t like the relationships to be calm and peaceful, because then where is the conflict to move the story forward? There are ways to have conflict on this show without constantly being on and off with the relationship angst.
Rumbelle is no doubt be the biggest victim of angst, with Rumple and Belle always being separated in short bursts of time. Rumple kicks Belle out, Rumple thinks Belle is dead, Rumple find Belle again, Belle threatens to leave him twice in a row, Belle loses her memories, Belle becomes Lacey and shortly diverts from Rumple again, Lacey ends up sticking around with Rumple because she likes his darkness, Belle gets her memories back, Belle is left behind when everyone else goes to Neverland, Rumple dies, Rumple comes back and is enslaved by Zelena, Rumple lies to Belle about the dagger and kills Zelena, Rumple’s lies build up to the point where Belle finally finds out about what he’s done and kicks him out of Storybrooke, Belle ends up dating Will, and now Rumple admits that his heart is blackening to the point that he’ll soon no longer be able to love.
OutlawQueen actually started out pretty angst free, once Regina decided to pursue Robin. They were so free of angst for most of 3B to the point that some fans felt the relationship was rushed and that they weren’t going through any obstacles. Guess they would regret wanting to see OutlawQueen going through obstacles once said obstacles started to occur. In fact, I know plenty who were initially planning to support the relationship, but things soured too much for them once it turned out that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline, and that Marian had returned. I actually thought making Marian Zelena would be their way out of this mess, but they actually had to make things ever worse with the whole Zelena pregnancy thing. I feel the main reason for the pregnancy is just so Regina will still want to change the book. After all, had OutlawQueen actually reunited without any further obstacles, then Regina would already have her happy ending.
[adrotate group="5"]Ok, this is a bit of a rant that I want to get off my chest. I feel the biggest issue with the way the show handles its core relationships is that there is so much “angst, angst, angst”, with not enough room to breathe. I know Jane Espenson in particular has made her opinion known that she doesn’t like the relationships to be calm and peaceful, because then where is the conflict to move the story forward? There are ways to have conflict on this show without constantly being on and off with the relationship angst.
I completely agree. I also think that you do need the relationships to have some breathing space so that when crap does hit the fan, the audience can appreciate how bad the situation is. As it is, the relationships are just lurching from one crisis to another.
Rumbelle is no doubt be the biggest victim of angst, with Rumple and Belle always being separated in short bursts of time. Rumple kicks Belle out, Rumple thinks Belle is dead, Rumple find Belle again, Belle threatens to leave him twice in a row, Belle loses her memories, Belle becomes Lacey and shortly diverts from Rumple again, Lacey ends up sticking around with Rumple because she likes his darkness, Belle gets her memories back, Belle is left behind when everyone else goes to Neverland, Rumple dies, Rumple comes back and is enslaved by Zelena, Rumple lies to Belle about the dagger and kills Zelena, Rumple’s lies build up to the point where Belle finally finds out about what he’s done and kicks him out of Storybrooke, Belle ends up dating Will, and now Rumple admits that his heart is blackening to the point that he’ll soon no longer be able to love.
RumBellers just want RumBelle happy together without being torn apart for whatever reason every five minutes. Seriously, season 2, Belle ended episode 1 saying she was going to stay with Rumple then disappears for two episodes before reappearing in episode 4 ready to leave him because of his lack of honesty. There was no transition between point A and point B.
I still ship RumBelle because I still have hope for the ship that set sail in Skin Deep.
OutlawQueen actually started out pretty angst free, once Regina decided to pursue Robin. They were so free of angst for most of 3B to the point that some fans felt the relationship was rushed and that they weren’t going through any obstacles.
I was one of those fans. It just felt that there should’ve been more acknowledgement on Robin’s part on who Regina was rather than him jumping straight into “you’re hot” territory. They could’ve achieved that in the same episode without changing any of the major scenes. Have Robin be mistrustful of Regina initially, have Regina save Roland from the flying monkey, have Robin see she’s not so bad after all and accompany her to the castle because he feels he owes her for saving Roland. Have OQ actually build some sort of connection during the missing year then in Storybrooke be drawn to each other.
Guess they would regret wanting to see OutlawQueen going through obstacles once said obstacles started to occur.
At the rate they’re going, the Mills women should come with a warning label for men.
Regina’s past would’ve been a perfect conflict within the OQ relationship. They didn’t have to make it a major one but it would’ve been nice for Robin to acknowledge that and also acknowledge that Regina wasn’t that person anymore instead of him just being A-Okay with it and turning a blind eye.
In fact, I know plenty who were initially planning to support the relationship, but things soured too much for them once it turned out that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline, and that Marian had returned.
Marian returning would’ve been enough in itself to cause debate on whether Robin should continue with Regina or return to Marian, but to then make Regina be the reason that Marian died was too much and made OQ morally unsound. This was then compounded by Robin being completely unbothered that his beloved wife had been murdered by his current love interest and the thing is, Robin did know this piece of information, if “Marian” hadn’t told him then Regina must’ve because of the way she told him last episode that Zelena had killed Marian. She emphasised the Zelena as if correcting information she’d already told which leads to two questions:
1. Why did we not see this scene?
2. Why did Robin not seem bothered in the slightest?I actually thought making Marian Zelena would be their way out of this mess, but they actually had to make things ever worse with the whole Zelena pregnancy thing.
I completely agree. Making Marian Zelena wasn’t the neatest way of doing things but it was passable in it’s purpose of clearing the way for OQ, but then they add on the whole pregnancy drama which was achieved through Zelena raping Robin.
I feel the main reason for the pregnancy is just so Regina will still want to change the book. After all, had OutlawQueen actually reunited without any further obstacles, then Regina would already have her happy ending.
Whilst I get wanting to keep Regina motivated, at the same time I think that if they have Regina actually change the book to get rid of the baby, that makes Regina look terrible. She’s willing to get rid of an innocent unborn child just so SHE can get HER happy ending. It makes her selfish.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOk, this is a bit of a rant that I want to get off my chest. I feel the biggest issue with the way the show handles its core relationships is that there is so much “angst, angst, angst”, with not enough room to breathe. I know Jane Espenson in particular has made her opinion known that she doesn’t like the relationships to be calm and peaceful, because then where is the conflict to move the story forward? There are ways to have conflict on this show without constantly being on and off with the relationship angst.
I completely agree. I also think that you do need the relationships to have some breathing space so that when crap does hit the fan, the audience can appreciate how bad the situation is. As it is, the relationships are just lurching from one crisis to another.
Rumbelle is no doubt be the biggest victim of angst, with Rumple and Belle always being separated in short bursts of time. Rumple kicks Belle out, Rumple thinks Belle is dead, Rumple find Belle again, Belle threatens to leave him twice in a row, Belle loses her memories, Belle becomes Lacey and shortly diverts from Rumple again, Lacey ends up sticking around with Rumple because she likes his darkness, Belle gets her memories back, Belle is left behind when everyone else goes to Neverland, Rumple dies, Rumple comes back and is enslaved by Zelena, Rumple lies to Belle about the dagger and kills Zelena, Rumple’s lies build up to the point where Belle finally finds out about what he’s done and kicks him out of Storybrooke, Belle ends up dating Will, and now Rumple admits that his heart is blackening to the point that he’ll soon no longer be able to love.
RumBellers just want RumBelle happy together without being torn apart for whatever reason every five minutes. Seriously, season 2, Belle ended episode 1 saying she was going to stay with Rumple then disappears for two episodes before reappearing in episode 4 ready to leave him because of his lack of honesty. There was no transition between point A and point B. I still ship RumBelle because I still have hope for the ship that set sail in Skin Deep.
OutlawQueen actually started out pretty angst free, once Regina decided to pursue Robin. They were so free of angst for most of 3B to the point that some fans felt the relationship was rushed and that they weren’t going through any obstacles.
I was one of those fans. It just felt that there should’ve been more acknowledgement on Robin’s part on who Regina was rather than him jumping straight into “you’re hot” territory. They could’ve achieved that in the same episode without changing any of the major scenes. Have Robin be mistrustful of Regina initially, have Regina save Roland from the flying monkey, have Robin see she’s not so bad after all and accompany her to the castle because he feels he owes her for saving Roland. Have OQ actually build some sort of connection during the missing year then in Storybrooke be drawn to each other.
Guess they would regret wanting to see OutlawQueen going through obstacles once said obstacles started to occur.
At the rate they’re going, the Mills women should come with a warning label for men. Regina’s past would’ve been a perfect conflict within the OQ relationship. They didn’t have to make it a major one but it would’ve been nice for Robin to acknowledge that and also acknowledge that Regina wasn’t that person anymore instead of him just being A-Okay with it and turning a blind eye.
In fact, I know plenty who were initially planning to support the relationship, but things soured too much for them once it turned out that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline, and that Marian had returned.
Marian returning would’ve been enough in itself to cause debate on whether Robin should continue with Regina or return to Marian, but to then make Regina be the reason that Marian died was too much and made OQ morally unsound. This was then compounded by Robin being completely unbothered that his beloved wife had been murdered by his current love interest and the thing is, Robin did know this piece of information, if “Marian” hadn’t told him then Regina must’ve because of the way she told him last episode that Zelena had killed Marian. She emphasised the Zelena as if correcting information she’d already told which leads to two questions: 1. Why did we not see this scene? 2. Why did Robin not seem bothered in the slightest?
I actually thought making Marian Zelena would be their way out of this mess, but they actually had to make things ever worse with the whole Zelena pregnancy thing.
I completely agree. Making Marian Zelena wasn’t the neatest way of doing things but it was passable in it’s purpose of clearing the way for OQ, but then they add on the whole pregnancy drama which was achieved through Zelena raping Robin.
I feel the main reason for the pregnancy is just so Regina will still want to change the book. After all, had OutlawQueen actually reunited without any further obstacles, then Regina would already have her happy ending.
Whilst I get wanting to keep Regina motivated, at the same time I think that if they have Regina actually change the book to get rid of the baby, that makes Regina look terrible. She’s willing to get rid of an innocent unborn child just so SHE can get HER happy ending. It makes her selfish.
unless OQ raises baby as their own bc Zelena dies or w/e
unless OQ raises baby as their own bc Zelena dies or w/e
That presents its own set of problems.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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