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While I like having the focus on Belle’s family for a change, I still hope Elsa is not related to any of the existing characters. However, I realise there’s a slim chance I will get my wish. Also I’d apprreciate it if they didn’t make her ‘the big bad’. If they want to show ambiguity or have everyone think she’s evil while she’s actually not or something like that, that’s fine, but the ‘we have to defeat the bad guy/gal by the end of the season’ thing has been done (often, change the record A&E, yours is broken).
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While I like having the focus on Belle’s family for a change, I still hope Elsa is not related to any of the existing characters. However, I realise there’s a slim chance I will get my wish. Also I’d apprreciate it if they didn’t make her ‘the big bad’. If they want to show ambiguity or have everyone think she’s evil while she’s actually not or something like that, that’s fine, but the ‘we have to defeat the bad guy/gal by the end of the season’ thing has been done (often, change the record A&E, yours is broken).
Yes my dream is that she’s not related to anyone outside of Anna.
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For a change I would prefer to have a character not related by blood to any of the (regular, recurring) characters on OUaT or Wonderland. (find this blood related thing annoying anyway, family is where love is and not where my genes comes from).
Sorry, but I am so no interested in any family story of Belle. It annoys me that they reduced her to be Rumples love-blind cheerleader, but pepping Belle’s story up with some sisters is not what I think would make it any better. Let her character bloom on her on, that means without Rumple and family. They had a great approach when the made her connect as friends with Grumpy and with Mulan, missing friendship relations on this show anyway. And if many, many people want to have Belle’s whole family story: give her her own show.
Never got into Wonderland, and think that goes for plenty of viewers of OUaT. So they would have to do a bit of additional telling, repeating parts of her story on the mother show, to make the connection to Anastasia thrilling on OUaT – highly doubt that many would like to have to watch Wonderland to get why that could be interesting or make any sense. Or in other words: If anyone can convince me that making Elsa one of the stepsister of Cinderella (who were cruel to here, weren’t they?) has any worth on it’s own maybe it could work, but you have to try without mentioning Wonderland even once. Give me a good story and not just some wishful family tree and name wordplay.
If Anastasia and Anna are made the same people, that means: Elsa was not born royal. It means a fundamental change in the character’s background and think that could make many Frozen fans rather unhappy and hate the show.
It might be better to leave Elsa’s background mostly untouched, she already is a twist on the tale of the Snow Queen very much to the liking of A&E – so why should they twist that? In the movie she was a misunderstood and thus feared “freak”, whose parents where not that much helpful by locking her away instead of finding someone able to train her to be in full and good control of her powers. Her parents might have loved her but were unable to cope, feared her powers and did her wrong. Elsa’s powers are a force of nature, they can be dangerous, in a good and a bad sense. Enough to work with.
Was it Rumple who trapped her in that urn or did he just get the urn not knowing in detail its story and content?
Did Rumple try to harness Elsa’s power, magic? Did he go after her in the hope to make use of her powers, but being unable to control her and her powers he locked her up?
Was trapping her part of a deal to get something else?So, to me the interesting thing is: what is Elsa’s story, why was she in an urn in Rumple’s dark vault, and not who she might be family related to if. Said I would prefer not to anyone, but if they have to do it, then it has to be part of her story, and not for the fun of family soap. And it has to make sense in her story – unless they want to reduce her to just some prop for telling more Regina and Rumple, as it happened with other interesting characters.
Right, I’ve said as well I see Elsa as their best chance to finally not do only lip service but get real with diversity concerning romance (their other huge problem of being somewhat one-sided if it comes to ethnicity as well should be addressed soon though), but of course not forced just for the sake of it, it has to be a good story. IF they do a romance or even hint a romance for Elsa, then they should take the chance to make it something different, not just another white princess meets white prince (or knight or just nice guy) one.
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For a change I would prefer to have a character not related by blood to any of the (regular, recurring) characters on OUaT or Wonderland.
It’s probably safe to say that that’s what we’d ALL prefer. But knowing this show’s track record, I wouldn’t count on it.
Never got into Wonderland, and think that goes for plenty of viewers of OUaT. So they would have to do a bit of additional telling, repeating parts of her story on the mother show, to make the connection to Anastasia thrilling on OUaT – highly doubt that many would like to have to watch Wonderland to get why that could be interesting or make any sense. Or in other words: If anyone can convince me that making Elsa one of the stepsister of Cinderella (who were cruel to here, weren’t they?) has any worth on it’s own maybe it could work, but you have to try without mentioning Wonderland even once. Give me a good story and not just some wishful family tree and name wordplay.
I think they could make WL Ana, Frozen Ana, without too much confusion for people who didn’t watch WL. The earliest flashback we got for Ana was after she’d left home to live with Will. We saw her mother when she came to tell her off for being a failure and complaining about how her stepsister had married a Prince and that’s how we found out she was Cinderella’s stepsister. So if they flashback to earlier than that to show Ana and Elsa both living at home as sisters, that’s new material even for people who watched WL. During the course of the show, we saw Ana and Will leave FTL for WL, and how she became and ruled as the Red Queen, then at the end of the show, she and Will were reunited and it was implied that they ruled WL from then on as the White King and Queen. So if they wanted to show Elsa’s sister Ana in present day as White Queen, again that would be new material even for people who watched WL. The middle part of Ana’s story, that we saw on WL, wouldn’t really be necessary if she’s just a supporting player in Elsa’s story.
You would still have the issue of Elsa having not been born royal, but she’d have a mother who is hellbent on her daughters marrying into royalty so they could easily make her a Queen that way. If they want to run with the implication from the movie that she’s a lesbian, then maybe her dark side can stem from having been forced into a loveless marriage with a man and having to be someone she’s not, which caused her to act out. Have her redemption arc be in her finally being allowed to be herself, which will lead to her finding a woman to truly love.
I know most of you are tired of Rumple being so many characters but what if he was Rasputin and Anastasia had a sister named Elsa and Elsa wants to get revenge on Rumple/Rasputin for destroying her family. Disneys Anastasia does have reddish hair like Anna from frozen . I never watched Wonderland but I think she will have a link to the knave as well. Just a rough idea.
Right, totally forgot that there was an animated feature by Fox Animation with a Princess Anastasia (with Kirsten Dunst and Meg Ryan as her voices) and Rasputin. It looks like Disney but is no Disney movie. So great for confusing people if they would go with OUaT Wonderland Anastasia as Anna. And not usable for OUaT as it is Fox.
Elsa as one of the stepsisters of Cinderella. And let us totally ignore for a moment any connection to OUaT wonderland Anastasia. How should that work? Should it be a story like this: Her cold-hearted mother forcing Elsa to marry the Iceking of the South, which turns her heart so cold that all out of the blue she has dangerous magical ice power. But she got so cold at heart and became a threat to the kingdom, that the Iceking called Rumple for help to get her under control. So Rumple came and trapped her in the urn.
But the idea is based on that there is a (Cinderella step-) sister named in this case Anastasia (because of the background story for the Red Queen, otherwise wouldn’t even know that), so how does Anastasia fit in then? Is she the one who is called to come to the rescue of Storybrooke, because of her own experience of becoming first dark and then saved by love she now can help to stop Elsa? Right would explain why the Knave shows up in Storybrooke. But there would not much be left of the wonderful, independent, complicate character of Elsa, who embraced the powers she was born with, to be different, and even learned pretty much on her own to use and control her powers, she would be just another wronged person out for revenge. That sounds too much like Regina as Icequeen version to me to like it.
And I can’t see them downsize a princess, well actually Elsa became Queen in the movie, to some merchant daughter or whatever the father of Cinderella had been. (And before anyone brings it up: Belle was not a born royal, never, but became the love of a prince)
Like the idea more then to connect Elsa to Eva in some way.
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The idea of her being Anastasia’s sister is pretty neat. I wouldn’t mind that family relation. It’s far enough removed from the regular characters.
As for what they’ll do with her: The one thing that disappointed me about the movie Frozen was that it didn’t have much to do with the original fairy tale (which I love – I used to read it all the time when I was a child). If they’re bringing Else into ouat I’m hoping they’ll use more elements from the Snow Queen.
In the fairy tale, a young boy gets abducted by the Snow queen, who makes him forget about his family. (I think she teaches him some magic too, but I don’t remember that part too clearly). The boys sister goes to find him and has many adventures before reaching him and bringing him back to his senses through the power of love. Ok, it’s slightly more complicated (there are shards of a magic mirror involved), but that’s the idea.
Unfortunately this comes pretty close to things they’ve already done in the past so if they wanted to adapt it, they’d have to give it a lot of twists and turns along the way.
As a side-note, considering the ending of the finale, I’m now shipping Elsa/Regina until further notice. 🙂
In the fairy tale, a young boy gets abducted by the Snow queen, who makes him forget about his family. (I think she teaches him some magic too, but I don’t remember that part too clearly). The boys sister goes to find him and has many adventures before reaching him and bringing him back to his senses through the power of love. Ok, it’s slightly more complicated (there are shards of a magic mirror involved), but that’s the idea.
This part of the story in the original, would work really well for Henry. Elsa may go after Henry because he’s Rumple’s grandson and she probably has a vendetta against Rumple.
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