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I think the only way to avoid neal death, was destroy Pan in NVL,with no pan in sb, means no go back to EF, means no rumple sacrifice, means emma would meet neal at grannys,and other things
I think the only way to avoid Neal’s death was not to write it in the first place
Yeah I go back and forth all day: hope or no hope? Every interview I read from A and E seems to say that he won’t be coming back. But then Zelena’s plan….*sigh* About Zelena plans, i guess they could bring back baelfire, and in this rewrite, Bae never goes to land without magic after NVL and returns to EF and then would meet emma, in that case neal never existed and emma and bae would meet with all past story between themselfs.
But i dont have hope anymore, the way they came to confirm that was Neal the death and that the regular was MRJ, happened to avoid people thinking he would come back, or for the fans to avoid thinking that because of Zelena plans, in all their interviews they talk about , this was a plan decided between seasons, you all know that i dont believe that, but lets move on, and that was necessary in terms or large story. That many of you also know how i think and that is to let fan service work and confirm Cs until the end of the season as true love and for S4 show the relation development. About this CS i hope im wrong, but about the death and since they came confirm that the regular was MRJ, i think im not, and i must say that i would be very mad, and would tweet adam with some worlds that i cannot say here, if in the end they came and say, well Neal is gone but Bae is back.
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For me and I know a lot of other people that episode was so OOC for Emma (and everyone else but that’s another story). Since when does Emma have the confidence in her own magical abilities to separate two souls/beings whatever it was?! But she was like “yeah, okay I got this”. Um no! I think Rumple just used her somehow, like a magical tool to separate himself from Neal. Rumple is the dark one. I don’t believe for a second that he couldn’t have wrangled the two minds long enough to come up with some type of plan. Not saying it was easy for him and that’s why he needed to separate from Neal but in my head canon, Rumple and Neal worked out a way (very complicated, very rumple-esc) to defeat Zelena and Neal’s “death” was just part of the plan. And I kept watching the part when Rumple is holding Neal’s hand right before he dies and I just keep thinking he pricked him with a sleeping curse. I can’t get it out of my head. Maybe Rumple felt Emma needed to lose Neal to find the proper motivation for her to defeat Zelena. She is the savior after all.
It was out of the blue! She’s had a year off from being the savior (meaning no magic) and right before that, she was struggling to make a fire! And now she has the ability to separate two souls? I think they just wanted Emma to kill her true love for ANGST.
There were options. There really were. Emma has actually ON THE PHONE. Call Regina, have her POOF herself to your location and putt Rumple/Neal into stasis! His death didn’t get them anything except a name which they would have gotten if the writers haven’t been bent on making the heroes into morons (yeah I’m looking at you Charmings) for the sake of elevating the heroes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Poking my head back in to say I gotta hand it to you guys who still have any semblance of hope. The entire thing reeks of something but I’ve become so disenchanted I expect nothing but the worst from this show at this point. This death was just the last thing on a long laundry list of issues for me that have been growing since the back half of S2. Wish I had the hope some of you have but I’m too pessimistic and too afraid. Lol.
The more I think about the whitewashing of Hook + this apparent filler episode (when the treatment of Neal suggested they had “just too much story to tell” in 3B), the less and less hope I have. It may just be Death to eliminate SF and OQ to eliminate SQ so that CS is last ship standing for S4 (final).
The only way I will ever catch up on any new episodes (i haven’t watched any since quiet minds, and I want to unwatch that episode so badly) so the only way I would ever consider going back to this story is if they treat it like the tragedy it IS and not try to pretend that this story is about hope and happy endings.
If this is the direction that this story is taking, then the next step would be to force Gold to kill Henry in front of Regina, have snowing try to save Henry only to get themselves killed, have Regina kill herself (i would’t mind a heartbreaking scene of Emma crying over Regina) have gold lose more and more weight untill he looks like a skeleton, trying to starve himself to death. But the dark one can’t die, he is just passed from one villain to another, forever a slave to darkness.
Ya see, it’s weird, but with each passing day, I keep feeling even more that Neal’s gonna be brought back in the finale. I’ve got my end of season headcanon with the baelfire thing with the time unraveling, and it all plays out so perfectly in my head.
They erase time back to when they all arrived in FTL, exact same shot, everyone looks over at Neal who is all O______O because the last thing he remembers is he died, and Belle gives him a bear hug because he’s back. Then they go over and wreck Philora’s picnic, because they’ve now figured out that they need to break through the floor to get to the Well of Wonders because the OUAT twist is that it’s that specific water that can harm the Wicked Witch, (which is why she had it boarded up in the first place so no one could use it against her). Then up pops Nyx, who happily gives them water to use on Zelena, because she’s been trying to break the laws of magic, and Nyx does not approve. Then she also gives some water to Belle and Neal, telling them that Rumple’s sacrifice in 311 means he’s granted a second chance and a happy ending. So Regina goes to dump water on Zelena at the castle, and Belle and Neal set off for the Vault again. This time they just need to pour the water into the keyhole, which is a lovely little mirror to the last time when it all went wrong, because they were led there by lying FLAMES and the symbol that was BURNED into Neal’s hand was the triangle, which is the alchemical symbol for FIRE, so this time they’re using water which is the total opposite, water extinguishes the harmful effects of fire, which means no nasty side effects this time around. And meanwhile back in NYC, Emma and Walsh are working together on their end to get back to where the others are, or there’s a plan in place to meet in SB again, either works, but the point is that at the very end, Emma and Neal are gonna see each other again and the season will end with an epic TLK.
I mean, it all fits together perfectly in my head. We KNOW that they’re gonna be messing with time because it’s Zelena’s big plan, so, yeah, I just can’t rule it out that at least some part of my crackpot headcanon could happen. It would explain Neal’s promo slogan. It would fit with the “second chances” theme in multiple ways, not only would Neal get a second chance at life, but Rumple gets a second chance too, and they get a second chance to take out Zelena. It would explain why they’re not bothering to dwell on Neal’s death right now, because there’s no point taking up screentime with that when he’s gonna come back eventually anyway, (don’t get me wrong, I will FOREVER be pissed that they’re not bothering to give him the attention he deserves right now, but from a we’ve-got-a-story-to-tell-in-a-restricted-amount-of-time perspective, the writers could justify it to themselves if he’s gonna be back). And it would give their heroine the most fricking EPIC love story of all, that even defied death, and let’s face it, the fricking Saviour should get a love story that defies death. No other love story could ever top that, and Emma “Saviour” Swan deserves to have the most dramatic, overcoming IMPOSSIBLE odds, love story ever.
*sits on corner and waits for the season finale*
ALL OF THIS IS SO EPIC.
I wish the “this death is the final death” press and the part of me that thinks MRJ asked to be written out weren’t keeping me from 100% buying this theory. Because it would be epic.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
Meaning the viewers had a general sense of who Baelfire was but there was always a level of distance between where Baelfire’s story cut off arriving in Neverland to the abrupt continuation once he meets Emma as Neal Cassidy. There’s a difference between deliberately being vague on the backstory of your characters with the intention to payoff the information during a crucial moment and just being….lazy.
THIS. They never gave him his story. They just killed him without going, “and here’s how Bae became Neal”
Neal had the lowest amount of airtime second to Belle before reintroducing him to your audience before killing him off in the same episode. The death while beautifully acted did not resonate nor had the lasting emotional zing that under a better written show would have delivered.
Which is why everyone outside of here is like “yeah…over it!”
Wow..sorry for the drabble I just needed to get this of my chest after an interesting discussion with my boss about all this mess.
Thanks for sharing! Really interesting!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Re watched “Quiet Minds” after 10 days, and during that poignant scene between him and Emma, Neal said something that struck me as unusual. He said “I’ll be watching over you guys from somewhere”
From where?……over the rainbow?
If this has already been discussed, please tell me which post or thread.
Why would the A & E team write this line? There has to be a significance to those words. I still maintain that we haven’t seen the last of Neal.
Jaxar is on to something when he brought up the questions about who is Neal, and what was Bae’s journey and life before he adopted the name Neal Cassidy.
Bae / Neal is a very intriguing character that had such promise, was not explored to its full potential and has yet to be explored. I cannot for one moment believe the AE team would squander such a rich character as Bae/Neal, and IMO a pivotal character in OUAT.
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Hey guys – I was going over the writing and handling over Neal’ “death” with my boss who is a screenplay writer and he keeps going back to the lack of “weight in his arc”. Meaning the viewers had a general sense of who Baelfire was but there was always a level of distance between where Baelfire’s story cut off arriving in Neverland to the abrupt continuation once he meets Emma as Neal Cassidy. There’s a difference between deliberately being vague on the backstory of your characters with the intention to payoff the information during a crucial moment and just being….lazy. The writers claimed this had been planned early on in the season. If they had the desire to click off his exit by tiddying up loose ends with his father, emma, and even hook then surely they could have addressed one of the biggest gripes from those who were unable to connect to who Baelfire grew up to be. Who was Neal Cassidy? Seperate from a guy Emma got knocked up from when she was a teen? The writers used his childhood and implied isolated adsolscent moments in Neverland but failed on allowing the man to stand on his own merit. Usually when you go in with the intent to kill a pivitol character with broad connections on canvas you build and write for them. Neal had the lowest amount of airtime second to Belle before reintroducing him to your audience before killing him off in the same episode. The death while beautifully acted did not resonate nor had the lasting emotional zing that under a better written show would have delivered. Someone earlier mentioned perhaps emma could have called regina and placed neal under some type of temporary stasis until they could figure out what to do. I think if the writers for whatever reason were adament to get mrj out by 3×15 they could have written a poigant send off while honoring Baelfire and Neal if they switched up of the episodes and dumping that filler with the tower and moving the contents of quiet minds in its place. Episode ends with neal being placed in a stasis by both emma and regina. The following episode (fill in 3×15′s slot) in present day is devoted to emma and co., trying to find a solution while Neal is in the hospital. The past is devoted to Baelfire having escaped Neverland once again landing in our world. We uncover how he learned the tricks and trades of the world, why he chose his new alias to stealing the bug. His final flashback scene could have taken place the day emma was released from prison in phoenix with Neal hidden nearby watching as she drove away in the only home they ever found in our world towards Tallahassee…. without him. While heartbreaking, would have resonated and really drove home his words to her as he was held in her arms. Unable to find a magical solution Rumple and emma come to realize they have to let him go. Rumple gets a scene alone with his son, hook gets one where he gets to apologize and vows to protect his family in his honor, ending the episode with emma bringing henry to meet and say goodbye to the father he never knew, he knew. Closing scene is the trio having a bittersweet poignant family farewell holding his lifeless hand one final time as emma tells henry his father was a hero. The outcome would be the same but the pacing and delivery while heartbreaking would have made a senseless death somewhat easier for your viewers to accept while delivering great drama with weight. While honoring the memory of both the child and the man he grew to be. Wow..sorry for the drabble I just needed to get this of my chest after an interesting discussion with my boss about all this mess.
Exactly. Like him or not, Nealfire was introduced as a pivitol character in the whole mythology of OUAT. But as time goes by the writers never bothered to expand upon his adult self, and we only got a vague recollection of his childhood. It’s what makes audience disconnected. If we had learned more about his life and wrapped up his ties to the main characters it would have made a more accepting and impactful death. There were so many chances at this and the writers failed to deliver, only to make us watch multiple Snowing/Regina/Rumple scenes that gave little substance to what we already know.
Beautifully written. I like your ending better. If he had to die, yeah I’d rather he go out in your version then the writer’s sloppy mess. Which is the prime reason why so many are shocked and angry. The blow would have been easier to deal with.
If this has already been discussed, please tell me which post or thread. Why would the A & E team write this line? There has to be a significance to those words. I still maintain that we haven’t seen the last of Neal.
It hasn’t been, to my knowledge. But I think Neal mean heaven but since religion on TV is tricky they can’t say “heaven”
Bae / Neal is a very intriguing character that had such promise, was not explored to its full potential and has yet to be explored. I cannot for one moment believe the AE team would squander such a rich character as Bae/Neal, and IMO a pivotal character in OUAT.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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