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Agreed. Emma can find happiness again, but Tallahassee is SF.
Agreed. And neal telling her to find it with someone else is just another example of the awful writing for that episode.
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Nope they are just going to give Neal and SFer story line to hook who can sell it better with his pretty face and Colin’s charm. Hook will be Neal 2.0 with a little of Charming, smidgen of August, and dash of Henry. That’s why they are ripping of the Tallahassee and Home theme that was big with Emma and Neal.
I think the swan necklace might be somehow magical link to Hook. Maybe Emma will lose it and Hook would find it and give it back to her. Seriousl,y I don’t put anything past the writing at this point no matter how outlandish it seems
If you are CSers why are you still reading this post at this point. LOL 😀
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So is anyone still holding out hope that Neal will return? Looking especially at you @Phee as you seem to be fairly optimistic.
I’ll admit, at this point my hope pretty much only comes from my desire to see it happen than from anything else.
My simple, not thought out at all head cannon for season 4 is Nealfire is the next big bad. I think it would be interesting to see our “heroes” and our “villains” go up against someone they DON’T want to kill. We haven’t seen this yet. There has always been a bit of resistance to killing like Snow versus Regina or Rumple and his Dad but they have never collectively had to go up against someone they all love or care for. I think the dynamic and the approach to defeating someone they love while also trying to save that person and protect themselves would be pretty cool.
Yes I know. Silly to hope but what can I say? I’m a dreamer. Like Neal!
EDIT. It would also give Neal the screen time his character so deserves! Bae backstory. Neal after Emma back story. would be awesome
A thing about the theme of “second chances”. Several characters are getting one. I shant dwell on the obvious exclusion, which I could easily rant about (again). Regina’s getting a second chance at love. Snowing are getting a second chance at parenthood. The whole reason we have this storyline is because Zelena wants her second chance at a better life. So, what’s Hook need a second chance for? For having screwed over Bae, that’s what.
Hook knew, in the moment that he handed Bae over to the Lost Boys, that he was doing the wrong thing. You could see it in his face. Hook did have some genuine affection for Bae, due to him being Milah’s son. His regret that they didn’t get to go back for him like they’d talked about was real IMO, (frankly I think HE would have wanted to go back for Bae more than Milah would have). The scene where he taught Bae how to steer the ship is a perfect summation of his conflicted emotions where Bae was concerned. The bit where he stuck his hook in Bae’s shirt and pulled him over to the wheel was freaking adorable! But then the scene morphed into him poking around for information about Rumple. And when push came to shove, Hook abandoned the scared and lonely boy who he could have given a safe haven to if he’d had good form. And I say again, he knew deep down that he was doing the wrong thing.
Obviously it pisses me off that that incident hasn’t been addressed in present day, so we can assume that no one knows exactly what he did to Bae, and if he truly wants to be redeemed, he should come clean about that to Emma. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for a moment and assume that even though he hasn’t SAID it, he’s still been THINKING about it. If that is what genuinely inspires him to help Henry, because it’s his second chance, then cool. If he tries to convince Emma that Henry needs to know about his family, because it’s playing on his mind how he helped the process whereby Bae ended up living alone in a cave on a dangerous island controlled by a demon, and he considers it his second chance to make sure Henry DOES get to be with his family, then cool. I would hope that if that IS his motivation, they’ll actually state it at some point, because leaving the audience to assume is some half arsed writing and a seriously vague attempt at character development.
If, as a by product of him trying for his second chance by helping Henry, he also helps Emma to stay with HER family as well, for similar reasons, and also because he accepts that Neal truly loved her and would want the best for her, and the best is being with her family, then cool. If that causes them to form a genuine friendship because he’s been helping her, then cool.
But if he genuinely cares about Neal, and Emma, he needs to quit it with the incessant pouting and attempts at romancing her when it’s not the time or place and she’s clearly not at all interested, (seriously, how many times does she have to show no interest before he gets the hint, I get embarrassed for him), because she’s mourning the loss of Neal, who she loved. If Hook can grow up and accept these things and be mature about it, then I’m cool with him and Emma sharing screentime.
If the remainder of S3B is him coming to realisation that this is his second chance, and that even though he can’t undo the past, maybe he can try to ensure it doesn’t happen again with Henry in the future, then cool. If he does it all just to get in Emma’s good graces to try and romance her, NOT cool. There’s no redemption for him in that storyline, no character growth. And that’s what has really disappointed me about Hook in most of S3, he hasn’t developed, he’s regressed, and as someone who started out really enjoying the character, I want him to develop, not regress.
Having Emma eventually succumb to his constant come ons wouldn’t teach him anything about how he behaves, and it’d make Emma seem like she’d finally been beaten down. I don’t want to see that for either of them. I want them both to learn, grow, and be stronger.
So is anyone still holding out hope that Neal will return? Looking especially at you @Phee as you seem to be fairly optimistic.
It’s still not exactly hope or optimism, it’s more like cynicism so extreme that I simply won’t believe that he’s gone for forever. LOL And yes, I still feel that way, JMo’s interview didn’t change my thinking.
Oh I won’t ship it. It has never appealed to me as a viewer. Even if it becomes Canon+endgame, I’m too much of a SwanFire girl to ever jump. This is my ship.
Oh gosh no, I’m not jumping ship either. I guess I meant resisting it as in not being able to accept it as canon (yet?). For me CS would be like, if Charming and Regina were to hook up. It just doesn’t fit.
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One of the reasons I remain unconvinced that CS is a romance by season’s end is that (and I dunno if this would even be considered a spoiler, but it’s about BTS pics, so) as far as we’ve seen, right up to the finale, anything Colin shot for SB, he was still wearing the pirate costume. And Emma Swan would not be able to take a guy seriously as her boyfriend if he gets around in what is essentially a fancy dress costume when you look at him amongst everyone else in town. If they were in a relationship, she’d have got him some actual clothes so she could take him seriously.
Hook knew, in the moment that he handed Bae over to the Lost Boys, that he was doing the wrong thing. You could see it in his face. Hook did have some genuine affection for Bae, due to him being Milah’s son. His regret that they didn’t get to go back for him like they’d talked about was real IMO, (frankly I think HE would have wanted to go back for Bae more than Milah would have). The scene where he taught Bae how to steer the ship is a perfect summation of his conflicted emotions where Bae was concerned. The bit where he stuck his hook in Bae’s shirt and pulled him over to the wheel was freaking adorable! But then the scene morphed into him poking around for information about Rumple. And when push came to shove, Hook abandoned the scared and lonely boy who he could have given a safe haven to if he’d had good form. And I say again, he knew deep down that he was doing the wrong thing.
Oh I agree that he knew he was doing wrong. And that’s why I’ve been patient with him about this. But I don’t think he has been thinking it about anymore because I don’t think the writers want us to remember. I think they want it made out that Hook and Bae were good friends and then it goes hazy as to “what happened” and I still don’t know that it’ll ever come to light.
Having Emma eventually succumb to his constant come ons wouldn’t teach him anything about how he behaves, and it’d make Emma seem like she’d finally been beaten down. I don’t want to see that for either of them. I want them both to learn, grow, and be stronger.
If they want me to not cringe at CS for the rest of the show (like I said, I can’t ship it, but if they don’t want it to be a thorn in my side) then it better be Emma going to him after a long time of him NOT pursuing her. I cannot abide this attitude of “if you keep pestering and pushing, eventually the woman will give into you.” It is one of the most horrifying messages I have ever seen from this show.
One of the reasons I remain unconvinced that CS is a romance
LOL.
Yeah that’s some nice evidence.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Can i just say that i hope A/E will never come and say that Cs was always their plan to end the show, bc no way they will convince me that they made a pirate separate 1 family, that in a way was part of the reason why rumple became the dark one, that made bae go into a portal, that made him go to NVL, that made hook sell him to Pan, that made neal after centuries come to a land without magic and meet emma, then listen to august and made emma be arrested, pregnant, what made her give up Henry, while hook was trying to hurt Belle on the EF, making alliances with Regina, Cora. That at some point , left emma, mulan, aurora and snow arrested in rumple cell, with no food and drink, lets not even talk about everything behind, like let cora kill a village, take aurora heart, and then tries to avoid emma and snow to go to SB, when in SB, makes so many other bad things that will take a longer post to tell them all, so in the end if they came and say that CS was end game and Bae/Neal only deserved death, i will be very pissed and angry. I guess what i want to say is if they want to make Cs endgame, will still mad and think in fan service, just hope they will never say the words, was always our intention from the beggining, when we had the idea to the show, bc for me that will be the final and confirm proof this had network pressure.
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I cannot abide this attitude of “if you keep pestering and pushing, eventually the woman will give into you.” It is one of the most horrifying messages I have ever seen from this show.
I think the writers think that it’s witty and charming or something. Shows they’re not women themselves, cause only a man would think that’s the way to go. There really is a fine line between flirting and pestering and this is why sometimes it makes me cringe when Hook goes flirty again. I would probably be more okay with it, if Emma didn’t keep blatantly turning him down, cause then it would feel mutual. At the moment it’s just one-sided and dare I say, bordering on harassment.
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