Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[ouatrandothoughts]

I thought my fanfic muse for this show had died permanently, and then yesterday I started writing the most insanely depressing Gold and Emma fic (you can guess what it deals with) and I started crying on the bus as I was doing it.

On that subject…in between seasons 2 and 3 I wrote my own version of Emma, Henry and Rumple reuniting with Neal in Neverland that is wildly AU now of course. I never posted it because I never quite got it worked out–would anyone here be interested? It’s very relevent to this thread’s interests.

I’m “Ieyre” on ff.net on the off chance that my work is a known quantity to anybody (lol fanfiction fame, right below reality TV fame.)

 

[lisas]

I’m SwanFire girl & Neal/BaelFire Fan as well as a MRJ Fan and I will continue to be one I will not let someone or even a network dictate to me what or who I should or shouldn’t be a fan of. I still have faith that we will see Neal again. But as to when I don’t know and that is the really sad part.

Excuse my rant please but I needed to get this off of my chest

Now Let me just say this to any CS Fans who maybe reading this

CS Maybe happening But I believe the only reason why we are being given this crappy storyline is because ABC wanted it and most likely interfered with the original story that A & E were wanting to tell. If anything this was fan pandering at it’s ugliest. As much as Adam & Eddy continue to keep saying that this action regarding MRJ & the character of Neal was Story Driven the more I am doubting very seriously that it was indeed the case, there is just to many things that don’t add up. In my opinion Adam & Eddy along with all of the writers caved to the network politics( when I say network politics I’m not just saying ABC Brass I’m talking about advertising, publicity, sponsers, etc. I’m pretty sure Matthew knows the gist of what I am talking about.) that was probably involved in making sure that Once got renewed & with the idea of syndication following the blunder with Once Upon A Time In Wonderland plus you add the pressure of those fans who wanted CS to happen and you’ve got a mixture ripe for changing things. As I said CS maybe happening but that does not mean that I have to accept it or like it in any way shape or form and there is nobody who is going to change my mind about that.

I will Never Ever accept CS as endgame because I do not believe for a second that this is the story that Adam & Eddy originally wanted to tell.

Fairy Tales are supposed to be filled with Hope, True Love, Belief, Second Chances, Redemption, Happy Endings, True Loves Kiss, all mixed in together with magic, sorcery, sword fighting, archery, Kings & Queens, Prince’s Princess’, Fairies, Pirates, Witches, Wizards, and all kinds of mythical creatures like dragons, unicorns, etc And we pretty much got most of that in Seasons 1-3A, The writing of it was on par with what Fairy Tales should be. It’s only now in Season 3B that things have dramatically changed. You tell how much it’s changed based on the writing, the way the actors are portraying the characters and the direction of the storyline. The excitement that actors once had for Once doesn’t appear to be there now and you can tell that by their online presence when they are tweeting with fans.

In my opinion Neal should have been given his happy ending with Emma & Henry, Rumple & Belle given the type of life that he was given and the suffering that he endured. They could have given Neal his happy ending and still separated them until the end of the show and brought him back as if to say see these people will get their happy ending after all. Killing him was not the answer. It was nothing more then a plot device so that they could make sure that CS could happen. So in my estimation CS & Hook is nothing more then a second choice for Emma since her choice of who she would choose was taken completely away by Neal’s death. So I hope that the Hook & CS Fans can live with the fact they won solely by default.

For those that say that Zelena isn’t to blame for what happened to Neal I would say go back and watch episodes 3×10,3×11,3×12,3×13,3×14,3×15,3×16 again Zelena clearly states in 3×16 that she is 100% responsible for Neal’s death. So in my opinion whatever she gets in the end from Emma, Rumple, Regina,Charming, Snow, Belle, Hook, Robin Hood, Henry she deserves.

Rant over

Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking Stick

[Marty McFly]

What sort of message is that Marty?

What kind of message? The same message the writers sent by telling us that Baelfire’s character is dead forever. That this show is about hopelessness and futility, or in other words, a tragic tale. In literature, there is only one way a tragedy ends: in tragedy. More and more horrible things happen to all the characters until the story comes to its’ tragic conclusion. Have you ever read Antigone by Sophecles? It was a tragedy ending in a tragedy, just like it’s supposed to end.

I get you’re upset about Neal, nobody wanted Neal to die at all, but the show was not all about Neal, it is not about any one character. Let me ask you this, if Neal had lived and someone else had died, should all the other characters suffer for the rest of their days including Neal? Rumple “died” in 311

You say that Neal is not the main part of the story, however, I see Neal as the driving force to the entire story. He is the symbol of hope in this story. But anyway, let me just explain where I am coming from:

First of all to make it clear: I AM NOT A NEAL FAN. I never was a Neal fan, I wanted to smack him upside the head with a harry potter book a couple of times. I am a very big Rumple fan, though, and according to me, (I know some people disagree) Rumple has been a true hero from the beginning. From the time he was happily married to Milah, having earned himself a better name despite having grown up at the shadow of his coward father.

Image is everything on this show, and when Rumple sacrificed that image, when he ruined his good name KNOWINGLY (he knew what happens to people who injure themselves to get away from fighting – they are branded COWARDS=the thing he feared MOST was being branded a coward) just to return home to a child he has never even met yet, to me this has been an enormous sacrifice.

So yes, ever since I saw that episode where we find out the REASON he left the war he has been my hero.

(another reason I was laughing when Pan was complaining that Rumple “pulled away at his NAME” lol he was basically listing all the things that Rumple worked so hard to change because of him, and those same things that he sacrificed later for HIS son)

So why can I not watch anymore of this show? Why do I believe that the only way this show can end is in tragedy (yes, for ALL the characters)? Because I am a Neal fan? I am not.

I remember when we were speculating who the death would be. Some people were sure it would be Neal, and I was not willing to believe it of these (so far) amazing writers. But my input was very short in that discussion. I said again and again: Writers, if the death is Neal, please, let Gold stay dead.

The whole reason of Gold’s existence was Bae. The reason he lived (he could have died honorably in the Ogre’s wars) and the reason he died. The reason he sacrificed again and again his own happiness, his own peace of mind, his own safety, he even sacrificed his soul (became the dark one) was for his child, Baelfire. And again in this last episode (315) he sacrificed his freedom, his self.

(((oh, and by the way, Rumple didn’t “die” he really died. his sacrifice was REAL, and he should have stayed dead.)))

So what message does this send? That after ALL THIS SACRIFICE his son still died. After centuries of working on a way for his son to have a chance at happiness, his son gets NO happiness. So what is the message here?

The message is this: no matter how great a hero you’ve been, Rumple, your entire life, no matter how hard you worked no matter what hel you’ve been through, just to ensure that your son is happy, it will not matter.

It’s all for nothing.

Your efforts are futile. Don’t bother to love. Don’t bother to sacrifice for love. Just don’t bother, because it’s hopeless.

So there you go. Rumbelle can’t ever possibly ever have any kind of happiness. Rumple is beyond any possibility of consoling, beyond any possibility of alleviating the pain. He is done for. And Belle, well, even if she didn’t have a hand in his death, with her “beast” so dead to the world, how could she ever be happy?

In addition, even though I am totally against silly shipping, I pay attention to the STORY and the writers made it clear that Emma loves Neal, they are true love (even though Regina has more “chemistry” with her) so Emma having lost her own true love after telling him that she was hoping he was DEAD (in neverland), you know, guilty feelings’ got no rhythm…

This has basically been set up as a tragedy, and if the writers will have the actors pretend for the characters that they CAN be happy, well, it doesn’t ring true.

No, it won’t be bittersweet either. It can’t be. Not in this story.
t’s the most tragic tragedy to have ever been written

aside from us diehard oncers who checked out BTS spoilers and such, as far as the general audience and characters knew Rumple was dead. Did that stop Snowing from getting their happy ending? No. Should Neal have never got his happy ending because his dad was dead? No.

absolutely not. I totally agree that EVERYONE should have gotten their happy ending if Gold had stayed dead. he died for that reason, that everyone would get a happy life. but he didn’t just die for that. the difference here is, he LIVED for that. this was his life’s work. of course everyone sould gat a happy ending. HE, Gold, got a happy ending. his end was a happy one. he was successful. he DID IT!! he saved his son, he made sure his son knew that he was loved, he made sure his son had a chance at happiness. HE WON!!

but now… now Pan won. now, as Pan always wanted, he will “just make another kid with his fertile Belle” Now, as Pan always wanted, Hook or Regina or (fill in the blank) will take Emma and “pick up the pieces”

or whether it was BTS issues and what not, there is no need to make other characters suffer just because the death wasn’t who you wanted it to be.

other characters ARE ALREADY SUFFERING! there is no way it will be believed that they aren’t. as hard as the writers and actors will try it, it will either destroy their credibility as characters, or it will make the audience frustrated, and will stop caring for the characters altogether.

when one reads a story (or watches tv or whatever) they like to identify with the characters. no viewer with a heart or a brain will ever identify with the characters who aren’t completely inconsolable to their child’s death. there is no relief for Gold. none. no where to go from here. his whole story made it clear.

it’s equivalent to Regina’s losing Henry.
a never ending cycle of tragedy.

and poor Rumple can’t even commit suicide to end his misery.

[RumplesGirl]

So…I went to dinner and now we’ve got ranting of two different sorts.

Something SwanFire!

https://www.tumblr.com/swanthiefire/82414670822/remilies-deactivated20140802-im-gonna-be-here

 

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Marty, I strongly disagree with your opinion about the other characters shouldn’t get happy endings. I think it’s something we’re not going to agree on ever.

You say the characters should get the happy endings when Rumple was dead but they shouldn’t get them when Neal is dead. Why? Why should one character death doom everybody else to a lifetime of misery whilst another character death everybody carries on as normal? Why is it so important to you that the other characters suffer because of Neal’s death?

I would suggest you at least watch 316 and see how you feel after that.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

https://www.tumblr.com/swanthiefire/82413941921

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[CrownedWithLaurels]

POm, it is not that characters “shouldn’t” get their happy endings. I see you keep reiterating that talking point but I think you are misunderstanding. It’s that according to what is now cannon on the show, if they apply it to other characters, all bets are off.
Also, isn’t there some sort of debate thread or some thread about Neal’s death this argument can transfer to? Because it really sucks to come read everything. POM, If you want to share your feelings you can always do that on the “Neal happy ending?” Thread and who responds will just be who responds and who chooses to read and discuss will choose instead of fans coming here with no desire for this argument to be subjected to it in what is now a Memorial thread. O course I am not a moderator so I mean, you can do whatever, I just think it would be more considerate and appropriate in other threads instead of forcing all of us to be part of something we never came here for.

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[Marty McFly]

ewww I can’t watch 316 or any other episode anymore. I wish I would have believed the rumors and never watched 315 either. I wish there was a way to unwatch it. I wish I could stay with that beautiful ending of 311 as the end of the series.

if anyone would have told me that this was the end of Rumple’s story, that all he did was worthless, that he should never have bothered to love, I would have saved myself a lot of pain. I would have enjoyed a beautiful story with a beautiful end. THE END. Gold dead. Everyone is happy. Good bye. I loved that ending SO MUCH. I loved it SO SO MUCH. why did they have to ruin it all?

My brother usually watches these episodes on Hulu because he is limited in time and he pays for one or two months and catches up with shows. I told him not to bother catching up with this one. I usually never spoil for him because he HATES spoilers, but I spoiled this. I forwarned him, because this is what I wish someone would have done for me. I would never would have put myself and Rumple through this torture. I would have just quit while the story was still beautiful. while the story still ended on a happy note where it can only got towards happy endings from there.

why can’t you see that Gold’s death was a win? why can’t you see that this “death” (of Neal) is a message of uselessness?
look at it from a Rumple point of view.

you are the “price of magic”. you know what? according to this tv show, the “price of loving someone” is eternal suffering. the price of sacrificing everything EVERYTHING for your loved one – is that it wasn’t necessary in the first place.

futility.

useless.

hopeless.

on another note, let me say that I will eat my hat if Bae will stay dead by 322.

I bet the writers were so pissed by that fans’ reaction to Gold’s death, the way they used to call it “death” as if he never really died, as if his sacrifice was never meant to be real, that they decided to make a rumor that someone ELSE will die forever, so that the fans will actually believe a death this time. This time the fans will believe that the sacrifice WAS real, and that sacrifice has repercussions. that the only way to get that character back is by having another character die for him. or something.

but I bet he isn’t really dead.

the writers are only really happy that THIS TIME the fans are discussing the death without using quotation marks.

[RumplesGirl]

*twiddles thumbs*

So….

POM and Marty disagree.

Back to mourning and grieving and remembering Neal.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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