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I’ve seen the other parallels to other Emma ships which is what prompted me to make one that ya know, was actually based on a direct parallel within the context of the show and the film. Not merely a freeze frame vague similarity which I could very easily apply to just about anyone on the show. While poking some light hearted fun at those that take sole claim over silly things like this too seriously.
Another one that I could of added but figured I could save it for another gif set was the whole name alias with Flynn Rider=Eugene Neal Cassidy=Baelfire thing
See, I could make my own silly meta too. #boom
Those are some amazingly cute GIFs! I love seeing the parallels between Swanfire and Tangled. You did an excellent job. Yeah they do look pretty similar shot by shot AND in CONTEXT of the show. I just hope they get a similar ending! I would get a kick out of seeing Emma in a fairy-tale wedding dress and Neal deck out in a princely garb. (We know he can rock a suit just like his papa 😉 ) One can only dream for now…
Phee is making an excellent point and one I’d like to back up with numbers. Going just from season 3, between 9.5 and 11 million people watch ONCE over the 7 days viewing period. Of those 9.5-11 million people, internet fan culture makes up MAYBE 5-10%. This is not to say that internet fan culture isn’t big or unimportant but we have a tendency to think it’s larger based on the fact that we actively engage with it–Twitter, Tumblr, sites like this. The vast majority of viewers of ONCE are not part of fan culture, but simply just watching TV. A and E know this and that is why time and time again Adam has said stuff along the lines of, “we don’t write ships. We write story.” OR “we’re telling the story we want to tell.”
Very good point. Internet fandom is only a fraction of the viewership. I just hope Adam and Eddy stick to their guns, and don’t melt under pressure. I remember hearing from their official podcast that they were sort of contemplating on changing the whole Nealfire being Henry’s father because fandom had figured it out too easily and I remember seeing a lot of complaints on how “predictable” it was on multiple threads. I’m really glad that they didn’t (because it’s such a poetic story) but it kinda scared me that they thought about it. Fandom is only a fraction of the viewers but it does gain media and the creators attention, thus do have some impact on the show.
I do have faith that Adam and Eddy will tell the story they want to tell. I’ve not been disappointed so far…
[adrotate group="5"]That’s true, but I cannot forget that TV is a changing medium, and a commercial form. There is pressure on the producers (and Adam and Eddy are not just writers, but show-runners) who need to bring in the numbers to please the network, to please the advertisers who want eyeballs. I was just reading an article about Twitter in Forbes talking about how Network TV and Twitter see mutual benefit in promoting an online” water-cooler” to promote live viewing. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/10/07/can-twitter-save-tv-and-can-tv-save-twitter/
So they’ve mentioned there is “malleability” in their vision, that they both write to their vision and “for the fans”. I think what it truly means is that they are trying to entertain their core audience, but to do so in a way that still tells the overall story they had in mind. Which pieces are flexible remains a mystery to us as the viewers as we do not know the overall vision and secrets yet to be revealed. The writers may not, and Jane Eppenson (who unlike A&E does admit to writing “ships” or at least to having a focus on character and dialog that results in what people ship) has said she learns new things all the time in the writers room.
For me this comes down to feeling a bit caught between my old way of viewing a story as a passive fan, and feeling as if maybe with the networks struggling to measure eyeballs, if there’s going to be a shift to reality-tv voting type style way of producing even scripted dramatic content? I don’t like the idea of that, simply because I think I agree with what Jane E quoted from JJ Abrams you have to give fans what they need, not what they want in a story. Pure wish fulfillment doesn’t actually make fulfilling stories, or as Henry said, the Hero never believes at first, or MM if true love were easy, everyone would have it. The sadness and angst makes us feel invested in the path of the story, and for me, there’s just more of an emotional story to Neal and Emma, than there is for Hook and Emma. Yet that’s just my feeling, from knowing only part of who the writers wanted these characters to be. So I don’t like the idea of sort of campaigning and producing all sorts of “persuasive” yet completely manipulative and inaccurate statements designed to “win the hearts and minds” of other fans to start shipping what I happen to like, pulling the textbook rhetorical mistakes you see in propaganda fueled political conversations https://bookofbadarguments.com/
I know why I like this story, but I don’t think everyone has to enjoy it or find it appealing. I see signs of why I think it is what they’re telling, but I don’t claim they couldn’t change their minds, or wouldn’t or that I’ve even guessed correctly that it is what they’re doing. I’m just hoping. I do like to discuss, especially when as I said, I see some of those leaps of logic or those double-standards or mind-boggling statements, that people put out in favor of certainty that the story they want is the one being told. I guess the doubts I have about this ship aren’t about the ship itself, in the sense, could it be a good story, are there elements in the narrative that would support it, but entirely about well how much pressure is there on the writers to do the whole “hottest love rhombus in the hamptons” style storyline that’s working for the show that follows? I wanted to watch something about fairytales, twisted ones, grown up ones, yes, but still hopeful ones where things like True Love and good and faith are rewarded, and maybe even villains have a chance, but only once they stop being villains and start earning redemption by thinking of others besides themselves. That isn’t really a reason to think SF has to happen, but ultimately, a large part of what drove apart Neal and Emma was that curse, that Regina and Rumple set in motion, and then again, Tamara as an agent of Pan who threw down that portal. I don’t feel like its a good story if they aren’t able to overcome those obstacles, and have a chance. If as a matter of their characters they aren’t suited, then they aren’t, but show me that in the story after setting it up for me that they didn’t break apart by free choice or lack of love.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
All of the Emma/Hook interactions are happening under the shadow of Neal. If A&E are going to change their story line to appease one fan base, then they will have to change that. What they’ve actually done is have the Emma/Neal love story verbally reinforced by multiple characters over multiple episodes. There was a cute gif several pages back that demonstrated this beautifully. Snow even equated the Emma/Neal relationship to her and Charming which we know is True Love. These things will also have to change if Emma/Hook become end game.
The Emma/Hook, or Emma/Anyone Else, cannot happen unless she closes the door firmly on Neal. If I had a friend who told me that he really liked a woman, but the woman had an unresolved situation with the father of her child, I’d advise my friend to stay far away until she concluded that relationship. Henry will keep Neal in Emma’s life for the rest of their lives and any unresolved feelings will be a problem for any non-Neal romantic relationship.
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Hi Molly! I think you’re new! Welcome to the fun 🙂
KFC you make a lot of good points about how the landscape of TV is in fact changing to include how people watch which has gone, to some extent, from passive to active.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Im really scared about tonight, i don
t know after what everyone said about the reunion, i think is just having a reunion after last week kiss, and if we dont have a kiss( that we wont) is like loosing a little hope. Because if emma kisses someone that she doesnt love and when she sees neal only hug him ( if we are lucky) it seems a bit tragical. Let`s see.I know blue butterfly! Yet I think it can be easier for a woman like Emma to kiss without strong emotion other than passion than it can be to kiss where her heart might be at risk, where her walls can come down. She is going to be cautious I think and it is just the pace of this story that it needs to pay out over time.
The outdoor shots have JMo in the white sweater she wore in the episode last season where Neal came home with Henry on his back. You cannot see her circle necklace when she wears it, then or now–but it also means if she had the swan one we would not see it either.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Hi, there welcome to the forums, bluebutterfly. With less than 4 hours to go, we’ll have to hang in there and see how this plays out further, but from my perspective, I’m not worried. Here’s why:
- Just two episodes ago, Emma reiterated her love for Neal to her parents and that she was upset she never even got a chance to explore all of the emotions with him since she thinks he’s dead.
- Emma continues to resist Hook’s “charms” up until he hatches a plan to save Charming. What does he expect in return? A “show of gratitude” from Emma for saving his life. What does she do then? After saying a simple “thank you” ought to be enough, she decides to just go for it with Hook. It’s a completely spur-of-the-moment adrenaline-fueled kiss (Jennifer Morrison’s words). She gives him a big fat smooch, not because she has stopped loving Neal or because she’s magically healed from her grief or because she’s suddenly madly in love with Hook. Nope. It’s because Hook reminds her of Neal (Jennifer Morrison’s words), because she believes he just saved her father’s life, and because she is seeking solace and an escape form all of her pain. People hook up all the time without it having to mean something. While this seems atypical of female behavior from a fairytale vantage point, Emma is a modern woman who isn’t afraid to give as good as she gets. What she doesn’t fully appreciate perhaps is now Hook is starting to have genuine feelings for her, or if she does, she doesn’t rebuff them as strongly because, hey, she’s only human after all. And Jennifer Morrison said that was a very human moment for Emma when she kissed him. (i.e a moment when she just decides to go for it for the heck of it, because feeling euphoria from a first kiss is a natural high).
- We know that Hook is going to be conflicted about whether to tell Emma that Neal is alive or in NL. He’s trying to change his ways, and he tells PP he believes Emma is starting to see him as a man of honor. Well, the honorable thing to do would be to tell Emma that Neal is still alive, even though he knows she still loves Henry’s father and it could mean risking his shot with Emma. Yet, Hook doesn’t just care for Emma. Hook cares for Baelfire like a son, too (according to Colin O’Donoghue). So, it’s reasonable to hope that Hook will do right by Neal and reveal that he’s alive to the group. Killian owes it to Neal, Milha’s boy, to give him a shot at forming a family with Emma and Henry, since Killian is the one who helped destroy Bae’s family by seducing his mother
- While Emma has a lot of unresolved feelings about how Neal left her, she also was devastated and angry that fate seems to been unkind to her taking Neal away from her before she had a second chance with him. Rumple said so, and was very aware of her feelings for his son. Likewise, Snow recognizes that the way Emma feels about losing Neal is how Snow would feel if she ever lost David. And if there are two couples who know about true love, it’s Rumbelle and Snowing. I think both sets of parents would root for their children to work out their issues rather than see Emma and Neal pinning for each other. As Molly said (hi, there welcome to the SF thread), as long as Emma has unresolved feelings for Henry’s father, it’s going to be dissatisfying to everyone involved (Hook, Emma, Neal). Even if Emma were to get involved with Hook romantically, I’m skeptical it would ever be satisfying for her or Killian as long as Neal were in the picture (as he will be because of Henry). Both Emma and Killian realize that Emma still loves Neal, always has, and likely always will.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m not getting my hopes up for a big romantic SwanFire reunion. I think learning Neal’s alive is going to put Emma on “walls up” patrol because it is literally to much for one human to handle. She’s going to find him, be incredibly happy to see that he’s alive, we will get some small romantic reunion but then it’s “we need to save Henry and then we’ll deal with all this.” I will be sad if we don’t get some sort of kiss, but I’m telling myself that it fits Emma’s character better (even if it doesn’t fit my shipper heart) if she is slightly detached because it’s the deep emotional feelings she has problems with, not the heady lusty ones.
At any rate, Bluebutterfly, I feel like I’ve seen you around but if I haven’t: welcome!!!
(goodness. so many new people. I like new people!)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OMG, I LOVE all the videos, pictures, and GIF sets you guys have posted this weekend! Cookies and hot chocolate w/cinnamon to all of you!!! 😉
Welcome to all the new faces in here! Love meeting new SwanFire fans!!! *waves* 😀
Excited that I don’t have anything going on this evening so I get to watch OUAT in real time without having to go back and watch the first part later. 🙂 I’m usually busy until about 8 PM so I always have to go back and watch those first 20 minutes after Revenge, but tonight I am FREE all evening and super excited about it! I’m also exhausted from not sleeping much all weekend so we’ll see how both of those things work together tonight, LOL 😆
#MoreBOOMLessGloom
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