Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[Slurpeez]

I agree!!! What I love about SF/MJR+JMO is that they’re also best friends. That’s super important in a relationship. It is just sexual energy, which I think Emma and Neal have in spades, but it’s being comfortable with each other, knowing the other person like you know yourself.

I read that Jennifer Morrison and Sebastian Stan have broken up. So, that leaves Jennifer Morrison on the market, and I believe MRJ is single…Yes, I’m aware that is wishful thinking. At least one of my favorite pairs on the show are getting married in real life.

[astrawoid]

Twice Upon A Time wrote: Jennifer has so much chemistry with everyone but I love her chemistry with MRJ the work so well off of each other on and offscreen (did you see the post SDCC video (aura fluffing ) their chemistry offscreen translates to their chemistry onscreen and that is what makes Swanfire so endearing

I agree!!! What I love about SF/MJR+JMO is that they’re also best friends. That’s super important in a relationship. It is just sexual energy, which I think Emma and Neal have in spades, but it’s being comfortable with each other, knowing the other person like you know yourself.

This!

The have the sexual tension but then there’s the I know you so well that I even know what you’re thinking and I can be myself without any pretense.  I love that they can see something of the others and know what they were thinking and why they did certain things.  Just like how Emma knew to find and put the top on the coconut, knew that the lights were stars and the way home, knew he stopped counting the days in NL because he had lost hope, just all those things in his cave-home and so forth.

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

[heatherc1275]

RumplesGirl wrote: I agree!!! What I love about SF/MJR+JMO is that they’re also best friends. That’s super important in a relationship. It isn’t just sexual energy, which I think Emma and Neal have in spades, but it’s being comfortable with each other, knowing the other person like you know yourself.

I read that Jennifer Morrison and Sebastian Stan have broken up. So, that leaves Jennifer Morrison on the market, and I believe MRJ is single…Yes, I’m aware that is wishful thinking. At least one of my favorite pairs on the show are getting married in real life.

Oh you aren’t the only one who has been wishfully thought about something like that in recent days, LOL 😆 *points at self as another wishful thinker and hopeless romantic* 😉

And count me as another who agrees that JMo and MRJ have all kinds of amazing chemistry together and it’s what really makes SwanFire work so well. 🙂

#MoreBOOMLessGloom

[astrawoid]

I read that Jennifer Morrison and Sebastian Stan have broken up. So, that leaves Jennifer Morrison on the market, and I believe MRJ is single…Yes, I’m aware that is wishful thinking. At least one of my favorite pairs on the show are getting married in real life.

I normally don’t “ship” people in RL only because I really don’t know them and their history and all.  But having said that, they seem to get along really well and I think they would be super cute together.  🙂

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

[Slurpeez]

Remember this post-“Tallahassee” interview that Jennifer Morrison gave?

There’s some sexual tension between Emma and Hook.
Jennifer Morrison: Yeah, it’s been really fun working with Colin and having Emma interact with that character because they’re definitely kindred spirits. They’re both thieves, and they’ve come from troubled pasts, and they’ve both lost a true love, and so I think that there’s a lot that they recognize in each other. So there’s that camaraderie and also that combativeness with that right away.

Are you hoping they’ll get together?
JM: I’m hoping that Emma has some romance in her life. It’s been awhile.

Henry’s father seemed great too.
JM: Oh yeah, he’s great. Michael Raymond-James [who plays Emma’s ex, Neal Cassady] is great too. We’ve been so lucky — we’ve had so many wonderful people join the show this year. That episode [“Tallahassee”] in particular was really fun, just to be able to show her backstory and show the parallel to what was going on with Hook and all that stuff. And as much as there are similarities in those relationships, those two guys couldn’t be any more different, which is also great.

How did you feel when you learned that Henry’s father abandons Emma and makes it look like he turned her in to the police?
JM: I knew something terrible was coming. I didn’t know what, but I knew something terrible was coming. I was actually more surprised that his decision was justified. I kept waiting for him to be a bad guy, and then I was sort of pleasantly surprised that his decision was actually made with good intentions, even though it ended up being very painful for Emma.

When Emma finds out how August was involved, how do you think she’ll react?
JM: I wonder if and when she will ever find that out. I don’t know how that’s going to play out, and I would assume she’d be pretty pissed. I don’t know. I don’t know how else to react to that. Emma’s plight seems to constantly be [that she’s] the victim of the greater good. Her parents gave her up for the greater good, and her lover gives her up for the greater good, so she’s really had to sacrifice her own feelings and her own emotions over and over again because she has this calling in her life to do things for other people. I think ultimately her journey is finding a way to embrace that and realize that that’s actually a good thing. But along the way there’s going to be a lot of heartbreak and pain to find a way to reconcile all of that.

It’s so interesting to read it a year-on knowing what we know now: August got re-booted, hence why all the Neal-hate going around, since if August had survived, it would’ve put the blame on him. We know about the CS kiss. We know that Emma now recognizes that Neal never stopped loving her and always regretted leaving her. It’s also so very interesting to get Jennifer Morrison’s perspective that she believes Neal was never a bad guy and was actually justified in leaving Emma.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[astrawoid]

I would be interested in seeing what JMO thinks now about whether she still feels that Neal was justified in leaving Emma.

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

[RumplesGirl]

Another video from Slurpeez.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DD7IB-scW8

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

Everyone, it’s time like this that it is nice to have the “ship” group but always I feel its a two-edged sword, like Adam and his “hope”.  Seriously, the only thing he should say is “We have a story in mind, and we HOPE you like it.”  Even if it is true that they might shift bits of that story around for one reason or another, including fan demands, he should stop encouraging the idea that anything could happen.  The August situation for example, seriously, just say no, not what we have in mind.  It’s really NOT a spoiler after a certain point.

It shouldn’t for example, be a spoiler to get on a podcast like they used to do and explain what Emma meant in her speech.  Is it “I’m sorry, I’ll always care about you but I’m not in love with you and I want to move on?” or is it ” I will always love you, but right now I just need some time before I can handle what that means, please give me space.” Sort of parallel to Snow a few minutes later angrily saying to David “NOT NOW,” when he wanted to talk about what he’d said.  I don’t think that means Snow is ready to page Dr. Whale if you know what I mean.   It means she needs time to settle down her emotions so when they DO talk, they can resolve things rather than make it worse.

I think it is still important that so far everything that happens with Hook is somewhat shadowed by her relationship with Neal.  The way they set this up, SF exists regardless of what could or will happen with CS, but for CS to really sail, Emma has to resolve her issues with Neal.  I didn’t feel her cave speech did that, it was more about telling him that she HAD issues with him.In some ways, we shippers do it to ourselves, in terms of not just sitting back and letting unfold then reacting.  We make predictions, we react based on that and set expectations in our minds.  So I understand the writers feeling a bit like, not their problem.  At the same time, they clearly know that’s going on, so its a bit careless not to just say anytime some one tries to say they “ship” something, or ask for hope or whatever, just say  “We are creating a story, and we hope you enjoy. That’s all the hope we have to give anyone.”

I’ve said it before, I want SF because that was how I interpreted what was going on in the show, that Neal was Emma’s anchor to hope but I guess anchors can go both ways.  They can weigh you down in a bad or good way, depending on the context, keep you from being lost at sea, but could also cause you to sink.
So it goes back to context and how much we need more of the story to understand the story.

So about that spoiler   Yes, it does feel bad to have a scene we were looking forward to seeing, one of  Neal and Emma in the bug, become instead about CS (potentially) but as Phee pointed out we have no idea what they’re talking about.  By the same token it also once again shows how Neal is sort of “there” even when he isn’t there.  That was his gift to Emma, not exactly the ideal place to  stage a romantic ‘date’ for Emma on the part of the writers, and unlike CS fanfic writers, I don’t think they’d do something “spitefully” in that sense of deliberately giving a new purpose to the bug.  Sort of like when Neal and Emma stole the JR, to get Rumple home, well, I guess fine, Hook can take a ride in the bug, but we’ll see what it means.   I still feel like every “symbol” for CS can be dual purposed with SF as I said in an earlier post, but it always feels like SF sort of got there “first” in Emma’s mind.  Contrast that with the JR scene, because Emma did not have  any memories of being with Hook on the ship when she was on it with Neal.  So in fact, sailing to NL, she had memories of having been on that ship with Neal first, before she formed any of being on that ship with Hook (in a state of grief over Neal, and worry for her son).

Apart from all that,  I see huge “parallels” to Hook and Mulan now in terms of the framing of this season’s story, that were not there in  S2.  Not a ship them together (gods no!) parallel thing, but rather their focus on honor.   They now have parallel lives, falling in love with one loved by one they care deeply about as well, whatever term for that platonic connection fits, aside from the romantic one.  What I want for MAP is to all be friends, and Mulan to find a new love (not Hook!) who sees her the way  Aurora and Phillip see each other.  The same for Hook–let him find someone who doesn’t have a huge corner of her heart tied up with someone else (not Mulan!), especially someone else he cared (s ) about too.  I got on board with Hookriel thinking it would play out with unrequited love on Ariel’s side but doesn’t have to be that character.  She just seemed like one that could be “main cast” given the actress’s history and connections, plus the popularity of the character in the fandom in general.  I’m not against other Hook ships, but so far they don’t capture my imagination just like CS no longer has it.

I might have been more likely to root for Neal to get the short end here, if  S2 interactions of Hook and Emma made me start rooting for  them as a couple.  I had hopes at Tallahassee, but they were not really played out for me until too much happened.  I know people rationalize one way or the other but for me, it is something I’ll need to see on screen and not swept-under-the-rug the way it has been.  At least Neal’s past actions aren’t being hand-waived away –back to the anchor, is it a good or bad thing? I don’t know yet.

I think it is good.  I feel like the writers care to address these things because it is important to establishing a romance going forward–not to establishing why it wouldn’t work.  They don’t have to bother doing that, do they?   It’s just, you know, hot pirate, chemistry all that, and one sad look and we’re all done with Emma and Neal.  We all saw that he left, we all saw he was with Tamara, and we saw he was sorry.  They didn’t need to have him hear that speech from Emma to realize he can’t just show up and they get back together–he’d already expressed doubts about it.

So why all the screen time on it, if they don’t intend to do anything? I feel about it that way I guess.  Hook’s little crush is just the sideshow, to set up his internal conflict, perhaps temptation for Emma and angst with Neal.    I don’t feel they’ve been showing me why Emma and Hook have a connection, if anything it feels like I’ve been shown why they don’t.  They’re not on the same wavelength a lot.

Anyway, none of it matters at present to Emma  since she’s in survival mode with everything changed.   She’s besties with Regina, pulling hearts and sparking fires, pulling knives on boys.  She’s not S2 or S1 Emma, but I feel like she is being written as aware that she’s off-center.
I still believe Neal and Emma could be a good story.  I’m not convinced that Hook/Emma has to be awful, either but the show hasn’t quite gotten me to believe that Emma’s heart is with Hook even if his is suddenly with her.   I’m not even sure that was what he meant or if it was, that he has had the time to really not just be rebounding.  It was 300 years, sure, but 300 spent keeping her memory alive and in his heart, that pain fresh.  Next week is going to be a turning point for me potentially.  I need to see how the writers handle the interaction between Hook and Neal.  If all the potentially interesting things are forgotten in favor of they’re just two guys who want the same girl, then I don’t know.    I might keep watching but I think might interest might fade regardless of which way it plays out.  I was hoping they were going to surprise us with something other than a soap opera subplot but who knows.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Slurpeez]

Regarding that scene of Emma and Hook in the yellow bug: there have been new spoilers that the scene was only about 2 minutes long. Emma and Hook talk by the side of her car. Emma walks away as Hook is left standing there. So, I feel reassured indeed if that the sum of what was going on.

Also, the *official* ABC Facebook page for Once Upon a Time is now promoting that supposedly fan-made poster of Belle that says “Believe that strength can come from the most unexpected places.” So does that mean the poster was not fan-made, as we thought, but official? And does that mean Neal’s poster “Believe in second chances” is official too?! If only ABC would promote Neal, but they won’t because of the complaints from CS! Plus, it might be considered “spoiler-ish” to say Neal gets a second chance while also promoting that CS kiss so heavily.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Everyone, it’s time like this that it is nice to have the “ship” group but always I feel its a two-edged sword, like Adam and his “hope”. Seriously, the only thing he should say is “We have a story in mind, and we HOPE you like it.” Even if it is true that they might shift bits of that story around for one reason or another, including fan demands, he should stop encouraging the idea that anything could happen. The August situation for example, seriously, just say no, not what we have in mind. It’s really NOT a spoiler after a certain point.

Yes

So why all the screen time on it, if they don’t intend to do anything? I feel about it that way I guess. Hook’s little crush is just the sideshow, to set up his internal conflict, perhaps temptation for Emma and angst with Neal. I don’t feel they’ve been showing me why Emma and Hook have a connection, if anything it feels like I’ve been shown why they don’t. They’re not on the same wavelength a lot.

Agreed. I go back to Good Form.

Hook: “I just want you to know that I also know what it’s like to live without hope.” Because Emma instantly picked up on Bae’s loss of hope in the cave.

Emma: “I know what this is. This attempt to bond with me. I’m not in the mood.”

Hook’s loss of hope, whatever it was, didn’t come across to Emma. But without even being there, Neal’s did.

And does that mean Neal’s poster “Believe in second chances” is official too?! If only ABC would promote Neal, but they won’t because of the complaints from CS!

I would be a happy human if that happened.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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