Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[Slurpeez]

What about the prophesy that someone will come to Oz via a cyclone to defeat Zelena? Dorothy was not the girl of prophesy because she didn’t defeat Zelena. I predict Emma is prophesied one. The savior. Emma has to get her magic back. She then willgo to Oz via a tornado from the EF. The writers aren’t going to introduce the Book of Records and then leave that prophesy unfulfilled. While Regina, not Emma, defeated Zelena in 3×20, Emma will be the one to defeat Past Zelena in 3×22. The events of S3b will be fundamentally altered. And then Emma will use Zelena’s sliver shoes to travel home to the future.

Keb wrote: Okay, but…how do we bring back Rumple then? Or get Emma & Henry back to their families?

I’m not sure we do get Rumple back, at least not by means of a life-for-a-life. We might, but then again, we might not. He was willing to give the ultimate sacrifice in 3×11. Maybe that sacrifice will stand. Or maybe, just maybe, Belle will successfully find “another way” to bring back Rumple, as she told Neal in 3×15 before he paid the ultimate sacrifice with his life.

[RumplesGirl]

Okay, but…how do we bring back Rumple then? Or get Emma & Henry back to their families?

Because magical handwaving plot device.

But what about the prophesy that someone will come to Oz via a cyclone to defeat Zelena. Dorothy was not the girl of prophesy because she didn’t defeat Zelena. I predict Emma is prophesied one.

I think prophecies are vague. Where is Rumple’s undoing?

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zelena caused her own defeat by taking matters in her own hands. Her “defeat” is not dying but giving into her jealous nature and loosing her shot to be the Innocent one. She is both the Most Evil AND the girl who defeats her.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

RG wrote: I think prophecies are vague. Where is Rumple’s undoing?

Rumple’s undoing was likely his sacrifice in 3×11, catalyzed by the boy, who was really his father rather than Henry. I know we all expected “undoing” to be the undoing of his dark one curse, but “undoing” really meant his death since his sacrifice failed to undo his curse. I now think the prophesy was fulfilled.

RG wrote: It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zelena caused her own defeat by taking matters in her own hands. Her “defeat” is not dying but giving into her jealous nature and loosing her shot to be the Innocent one. She is both the Most Evil AND the girl who defeats her.

I disagree. Yes, prophesy can be self-fulfilling but Zelena has not been defeated if her power lived on in her pendant. She still found a way to change the past by opening a time portal. What she didn’t predict was Emma going back in time to defeat Past Zelena once and for all. I think this will come to pass in 3×22. [/spoiler]

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I disagree. Yes, prophesy can be self-fulfilling but Zelena has not been defeated if her power lived on in her pendant. She still found a way to change the past by opening a time portal. What she didn’t predict was Emma going back in time to defeat Past Zelena once and for all.

Just like we all expected Rumple’s undoing to be him loosing his status as Dark One, we all expected Zelena’s defeat to be loosing her powers.

But I don’t think it was. Zelena’s defeat was loosing that last bit of innocence and changing fully into the Wicked Witch. Hence why her necklace changed from white to green.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Emma will have to tell Rumple about Zelena if she’s gonna tell him how she even got there. And yes, Rumple will want Emma back in her correct time, but he doesn’t know how to time travel, and all Emma knows about what Zelena did is, “Well she had your brain and Regina’s heart and my dad’s courage and my newborn baby brother and there was a something or other drawn on the ground and swirling fire,” and that’s probably not enough for Rumple to go on to whip up a spell to send Emma back. Easiest way to get Emma back could well be to kill Zelena in the past, because then the time travel spell never happened in the first place.

[RumplesGirl]

@Jaxer

I don’t remember but it’s possible. Whenever Adam tweets about “who said that’ or “just wait” or #nospoilers I just roll my eyes because it’s becoming code for “yes that is exactly what happens but I still need your eyeballs for ratings so #hope”

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

RG wrote: Just like we all expected Rumple’s undoing to be him loosing his status as Dark One, we all expected Zelena’s defeat to be loosing her powers.

Rumple’s undoing was his final sacrifice rather than the loss of his powers. Zelena’s undoing wasn’t the loss of her powers, or even her “death” in 3×20 since her powers lived on. She is still alive in the past, just waiting for Emma and Past Rumple to kill her.

RG wrote: But I don’t think it was. Zelena’s defeat was loosing that last bit of innocence and changing fully into the Wicked Witch. Hence why her necklace changed from white to green.

What we have then is a fundamentally different intpretation of the prophesy from the Book of Records.  That’s fine. I just disagree with your interpretation. I don’t think Zelena fulfilled the prophesy nor do I think Dorothy did. I fully expect Emma will defeat Past Zelena. Emma is the prophesied  one. Emma is still the savior, even if she was without her powers in 3×20, she’ll get them back. Emma is Dorothy 2.0 as DSB wrote several pages back.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Emma will have to tell Rumple about Zelena

Not necessarily. She doesn’t even have to tell him who she is or where she is from. Just, I did a bad thing and I need you to correct it.

Rumple: “who are you?”

Emma: “My name is Emma and I need your help”

Rumple: “what did you do”

Emma: ” I accidentally got Snow White captured by the EQ

Rumple” ok, here is how to fix it.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

^obviously that conversation is a gross simplification of what would happen. but my point is that Emma doesn’t have to tell Rumple *everything* to fix whatever is wrong.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

RG wrote: obviously that conversation is a gross simplification of what would happen. but my point is that Emma doesn’t have to tell Rumple *everything* to fix whatever is wrong.

I dunno. Rumplestilitskin is pretty cunning. I think he’s going to figure out who Emma is, whether or not she outright tells him at first. He’ll deduce something is up. He can, after all, still glimpse the future.

 Past Rumple (to Emma): “You weren’t supposed to interfere with Snow and David. I never foresaw your arrival. And yet, I sense now the future has changed. Tell me who you are if you want my help.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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