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It’s full of plot holes. Don’t do it.
Well, if you put it that way…
I mean, if my Mom couldn’t stay wherever she was living, “sleeping in her car” is just not the first assumption I would make. Add that onto a scene that had no real “point” in the episode, and it makes it doubly suspicious. The only reason that scene existed was for Henry to allude to his parents’ history, by making assumptions that – while historically accurate – he had no logical reason to make. I’m gonna call Shenanigans on that one.
I agree. I was just trying to find some sort of A&E appropriate reasoning for why Henry might say something like that, other than the PLOTTYPLOTPLOT reasoning that they want to show that Henry wants to stay and he’s taking a proactive role in making that happen. I can only assume there’s going to be a showdown of wills at some point between Emma and Henry. And really, if Henry wants to stay in Storybrooke, I think everyone knows Emma can’t really make him leave. He’d find a way back, not to mention Regina still probably being his legal guardian. It always just comes down to PLOTTYPLOTPLOT. Because Plot.
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I can only assume there’s going to be a showdown of wills at some point between Emma and Henry.
Not so sure actually. I think the end of 322 will have Emma realize that her home is with her family in SB and she’ll want to stay there and give up this whole “go back to NYC” thing
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah, agree, RG. 3B is supposed to be Emma’s journey to find her home – or was it her idea of home? – and I suspect that aligns pretty closely with Henry’s, in the end. Because the beauty of the SF family story is that they’ve all sought the exact same thing… a home, and a family. It’s what drew SF together and what drew Henry to Emma, and what was Neal’s motivation throughout S3. Those views are going to stay aligned.
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
the strongest proof that I DO believe: I AM WATCHING THE FRIGGIN’ SHOW!!! EPISODE BY EPISODE! (I’m at 317 now)
Neal will be back. Good WILL win.Emma has curse breakig lips. she broke Graham’s curse even though it wasn’t true love, his individual curse was broken. He remembered. same with Hook. his love for Milah was cursed. after kissing Emma the curse broke. ever since, he’s been looking at Rumple with guilt in his eyes.
the baby’s name will be Killian. Hook will die for Rumple and Nealnoticed how Regina did not really answer RH’s question?
he asked her “why do you care what the imp thinks?”
and she said something about winning the fight between herself and Zelena, but this doesn’t explain WHY she cares about what her mentor thinks…
it doesn’t explain why she read that letter hundreds of times. every time she needed a boost, every time she felt lost…
it’s so funny because this is exactly the relationship Gold and Regina have. every time she felt unhappy, cranky, lost, she would run to the dark castle or to Gold’s shop to rant. (kind of like me: every time I feel unhappy and lot I run to this thread to rant *hugs thread*)
maybe this is why no one mentions Rumple after he dies. he wasn’t finished sacrificing yet. just one more sacrifice, giving up the dagger, and then he could be dead again, so that Neal will live.
now everyone can talk about him. now that Regina KNOWS that he’s saved her from her sister once (“rumplestiltskin can’t save you THIS time”) and we know about the letter that gave Regina hope. NOW they can tell RobinHood how Rumple died when RH will say “why does anyone care that the imp is dead?”
Yeah, agree, RG. 3B is supposed to be Emma’s journey to find her home – or was it her idea of home? – and I suspect that aligns pretty closely with Henry’s, in the end. Because the beauty of the SF family story is that they’ve all sought the exact same thing… a home, and a family. It’s what drew SF together and what drew Henry to Emma, and what was Neal’s motivation throughout S3. Those views are going to stay aligned.
One would hope
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"DSB wrote: So if Emma is afforded the option to choose her own destiny, what would it be? I can state without hesitation it would include Henry. Based on what we’ve seen lately, I also feel confident in saying she has no need for pirates. As for her TL, if she’s given the option to choose her own destiny, does it include him? I sincerely hope it does. She’s had the opportunity to live that destiny without him, so maybe given the option, she’ll choose a different path.
This will be a very important lesson for Emma about what it means to carve her own destiny. So far, destiny has been presented as the great immoveable force in the fairytale and “real” world. The lives of all of these characters somehow seemed unchangeable. Rumple had a firm belief that the prophesy about his undoing would come true and that he would be undone. He went to meet his end with bravery and confidence that he was making his sacrifice to save his son and the woman he loved.
Neal, like Rumple, was very firm in his belief that forces beyond one’s control are what make things happen. He seemed to be a bit fatalistic in his thinking too that nothing could be done to change the outcome.
Neal Cassady: [to Emma] You know, there’s not a ton about my father that I remember that doesn’t suck. But he used to tell me that there are no coincidences. Everything that happens, happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it; forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you wanna called it, the point is… maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.
Neal, like his father, seemed to accept that there was nothing he could do about his fate, which had been sealed when he traded his life for his father’s life. Rumple stood by, frozen it seemed, as he watched his boy die before his very eyes. Emma said to Rumple that there had to be something he could do, but alas, Rumple said no. Rumple, the king of loopholes, knelt motionless and physically incapable of saving the boy he’d spent centuries searching for. Maybe this inaction came down to shock. Maybe Neal and Rumple’s belief in immovable forces and destined outcomes is what made both of them insist that nothing could be done to save Neal’s life. Is it true though that Neal’s fate was sealed as soon as he chose dark magic to bring back his dad?
Emma also seems to have a fatalistic perspective about destiny. She told Hook in 3×12:
Hook: What the blazes was that? [flying monkey]
Emma: A reminder that I was never safe. That what I wanted, what I thought I could have, was not in the cards for the savior.Emma sincerely thinks that being the savior means not getting to have a day off since every time Emma thinks she is finally going to sit back and enjoy herself, something bad always happens. She continuously finds herself trekking through forests with Hook, and yet what she wants is to return to her normal life of playing video games and eating fruit rollups with her kid. Instead, Emma had to return to SB because she heard Henry’s voice in her head telling her that a hero would return. Emma is the reluctant heroine.
Now Emma has a chance for a “do-over” to rewrite her own history. She could change her life drastically. She could choose to grow up in the EF. Yet then she would be who she is today: the savior. And she wouldn’t have had Henry or ever known Neal. Would she want to trade her current happiness with her son for her own happiness though? She wouldn’t be Emma Swan anymore if she chose to grow up in the EF.
As Neal told his dad when Rumple offered to turn back the clock and take away his painful memories of abandonment:
Neal: I grew up alone. You can make up for that?
Rumple: Yes, I can…Come with me to Storybrooke. There’s magic there. I can turn the clock back, make you 14 again. We can start over.
Neal: 14 again? I don’t want to be 14 again! Are you insane?
Rumple: I can’t make up for the lost time, but I can take away the memories. Bae…
Neal: Take away who I am? No, thanks.Unlike August, who got a reboot, Neal would rather go through the rest of life with his own memories in tact. His memories, no matter how painful, are what made him who he was in the present day. Yet, it was only when he started to let go of the pain in the past that he was able to forgive his father as he saw his own dad struggling to overcome his painful past with his father. Rumple had to overcome being a coward and Neal had to learn to forgive his father. Their future looked so promising in 3×10.
As Glinda said about one’s personal destiny, it’s whatever you choose for yourself that determines future outcomes. Glinda told Zelena:
Glinda: You did it all. You let go of your envy. You took control of your destiny.
Concerning the prophesy about Oz, Zelena feared that she would become the greatest evil that land had ever seen, and so she did. Zelena herself chose her own destiny to be wicked when she let envy back into her heart. Zelena is the greatest threat ever to come to Oz. That means the girl to defeat her is yet to come.
Glinda: What are you doing with the Book of Records?
Zelena: You didn’t tell me everything about the prophesy. The sorceress from another land will make Oz her home until she fulfills her destiny and unseats the greatest evil the realm has ever seen. Don’t you see? Dorothy is meant to take my seat, which makes me the greatest evil!
Glinda: Fate is a funny thing. You don’t know if that is what the prophesy actually means. Remember what I said. Only you can shape your destiny. But, if you believe you are evil, then that is what you will become.Dorothy wasn’t the answer to defeating the greatest evil. Zelena wasn’t the one to defeat the greatest evil, since simply believing she was evil made her so. Emma, however, is from another land. Might she travel via cyclone to Oz and remain there until she defeats Zelena in the past? By accepting her destiny as savior is Emma able to change her own outcomes?
This theme goes right back to BTTF 3 (I’ve just concluded my rewatch of the entire series). At the very end of the series, Doc teaches Marty a very important lesson about fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it.
Doc: “Your future hasn’t been written yet. No one’s has. Your future is whatever you make it. So make it a good one, both of you.”
The future is not yet written, and Emma is currently in the past. If Emma defeats Zelena, then she might actually change history for the better. (i.e. Baelfire will live in the future because Zelena never would’ve tricked him in the past).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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