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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
lunatiger, I know right, what he must have been feeling in that moment!! URGH!! But like he says, they have to focus on saving their son, and he knows that picking a fight with Hook right then and there would NOT have helped them save Henry, quite the opposite.
YES to both @Luntiger and @Phee. Neal knows that it’s more important to focus on Henry right now. that’s what matters. he’s not going to force this issue
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ok remember, sneak peeks don’t have a lot of important context.
While our whole Phoenix/stars thing was cute, shipper logic on speculations often gets pushed aside when the whole scenes come in. I’m sure there are some CS shippers who were SURE that Emma’s secret would be she’s in love with Hook, or wanted to kiss him again and such. So that’s the way it goes–we get our hopes up too high, they’re sure to be dashed. That said, this scene is full of awkward and that’s the point. I don’t think Hook was gloating. He’s gloated before and he is really obnoxious doing it. Here he had a subtle tone, because I think he really did think Neal knew and was trying to say he’s glad there’s no hard feelings over it all. He called the kiss a “dalliance” so at least outwardly he wasn’t claiming it was meaningful to Emma. Though the fact Emma did not tell Neal, well, that might make Hook and the CS shippers of course conclude that Emma did feel the kiss meant something. Then again–nothing with her means something, right?
Dizzy yet? I hate how she’s written sometimes. Did she not tell Neal because it meant nothing, or did the fact that she didn’t mention it actually mean something? How the heck can any of us know because it seriously could be written/interpreted both ways. What we know though is Neal knows now, and while he looked hurt, he had the maturity not to fly off the handle with accusations. Every time he takes the high road, I just want to cheer, because that maturity is far more attractive than innuendo to me. He was with Tamara, he knows that so now he has to sort of endure the jealousy as Emma did. He’s not in a place to demand anything.
Emma doesn’t know his history with Hook still. That’s on both him and Hook, since he had the chance to tell her more back in Manhattan (though he didn’t have reason to think it would matter). Hook’s reticence may be another story to Emma, and I hope that plays out finally. Yet it might not because #Savehenry (only when it saves resolving their triangle of course….). Bottom line is, Emma had to endure jealousy when he was with Tamara, so he sort of has to suck it up a little while Hook makes googly eyes at her now. Yes it’s worse that it is HOOK of all people, but on the other hand, she’s not asking Neal to contemplate co-parenting their son with the guy or anything at an awkward bagel breakfast. So I feel for the guy, but he sort of has to just endure this and keep his heart and mind on what’s important, first saving Henry, then making sure Emma feels loved.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I saw this Gif set on Tumblr and thought how well it demonstrates that Neal’s choice was one of sacrifice, one which is common on this show:
love is sacrifice
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
kfchimera wrote: That said, this scene is full of awkward and that’s the point. I don’t think Hook was gloating. He’s gloated before and he is really obnoxious doing it. Here he had a subtle tone, because I think he really did think Neal knew and was trying to say he’s glad there’s no hard feelings over it all.
While I don’t think Hook was outright gloating, I think Hook was trying to gently state where he thinks things stand with Emma by saying it first to Neal. While Hook may have thought Neal was in the dark about Hook and Emma kissing, by thanking Neal for taking the news so well, Hook is tacitly laying a claim, even though Hook knows Emma loves Neal, according to Peter Pan. Hook overheard Neal tell Emma that he’d never stop fighting for her, therefore, Hook’s aim is to let Neal know that he has competition where Emma is concerned. Hook is playing the part of a gentleman, but is really trying to undercut Neal for the sake of getting the girl.
For example, in Jane Austen’s Sense and Sensibility, Lucy Steele is the first to let the protagonist, Elinor Dashwood, know about her secret engagement to Edward Ferras. Lucy astutely and correctly assumes that Edward and Elinor may have formed an attachment to one another, and Lucy sees Elinor as competition. By making Elinor her confidant, Lucy paints Elinor into a corner, thereby immobilizing Elinor from sharing her true feelings for Edward with even her own sister, Marianne. Elinor must bide her time until Lucy reveals the kind of woman she really is is by calling off her engagement to Edward after he is cut out of his mother’s will in favor of Edward’s brother, Robert, who is now the heir.
I think Hook could likewise be infringing upon Neal by making him feel like Hook now has some “understanding” with Emma such that Neal will look like a jealous ex if he lets Emma know how it makes him feel. CS fans would be sure to complain that Neal has no right to voice his jealousy since Emma is not his girlfriend. I think Neal’s reaction was mature and reasoned, if not heartbreaking. Neal needs to hear from Emma her wishes and desires before he makes a blunder of pushing for too much from a woman who must make up her mind. And as Neal aptly said, he and Emma have better things to worry about than who kissed whom when their son’s life is at stake!
kfchimera wrote: He called the kiss a “dalliance” so at least outwardly he wasn’t claiming it was meaningful to Emma. Though the fact Emma did not tell Neal, well, that might make Hook and the CS shippers of course conclude that Emma did feel the kiss meant something. Then again–nothing with her means something, right?
Emma might not feel the need to tell Neal about the kiss with Hook for the simple reason that she wants to spare him unnecessary hurt, especially if that kiss really was just a heat-of-the-moment thing. Emma has no wish to cause Neal additional pain right now, especially after she just told him her darkest secret. Saying to Neal that she just kissed Hook would be like rubbing salt in a fresh wound. Plus, it’s not as if Emma said she loves Hook, even if she does care about him. In Emma’s eyes, it was a one-time thing. She just said she loves Neal, and probably always will. So, while CS fans will probably read into Emma’s omission that she’s covering up her secret love for Hook, I think she’s simply not wishing to cause even more pain to Neal, whom she loves.
From the ABC Recap of 3×7:”On the way, Emma is pleasantly surprised at the good form Hook has shown. It’s all because he wants to win her heart without any trickery. He lets Emma know she will eventually have to choose between him and Neal….. Emma reads them the riot act for fighting over her. She vows that the only person she will ever choose is Henry.
It sounds like Hook will straight up tell Emma she must eventually make a decision about him or Neal. Talk about putting pressure on her! Here she and Neal are fighting to save their son’s life, and Hook has the nerve to give Emma an ultimatum, him or Neal? To use Emma’s words, “Now is not the time”! CS fans complained when Neal said he’d never stop fighting for her, and here Hook is doing the same thing! Also, has Hook learned *nothing* in the past 300 years? Hook seduced Bae’s mommy only to now try and seduce the mother of Neal’s child right from under his nose, despite him knowing that Neal loves this woman? I was hoping Hook would do the honorable thing and at least give Emma the space she needs right now. I thought he’d want to do right by Neal.
At least Neal realizes that Emma doesn’t owe him anything after how he hurt her, and yet Hook, who also left Emma imprisoned in EF, thinks one kiss and suddenly Emma must chose between him and Neal. Excuse me? But where does Hook get off feeling like Emma must do anything right now except save her son’s life? Hook saying she must choose makes it sound like he’s only helping her save Henry to get something out of it for himself, just like he said he only saved her father’s life for Emma. And then he expected a kiss as some sort of token of gratitude? Ugh! At least Neal isn’t just helping save Henry because of Emma; Neal is fighting for his own son, whom he actually loves in and of himself, regardless of his love for Emma.
I’m actually glad that Emma reads both men the riot act by saying she’ll only ever choose Henry! That is how it should be! Emma will only ever choose the man who really has her son’s best interests at heart, and in my estimation, that man is Henry’s father! Neal would rather sacrifice his own life for his son then leave his son without his mother. Neal would do anything for Henry, even if that meant sacrificing his chance to be with Emma, just as we saw him do in 2×21 when he let go of her so Henry wouldn’t have to grow up an orphan.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez, you do raise some good points.
I suppose I’ll have to see the whole scene in context, but maybe Hook really shouldn’t be bringing it up at all. Whale didn’t even get a word out and Charming punched him, but of course, Neal doesn’t have the right to feel possessive of Emma. So Neal can’t even do more than feel annoyed and try to stay calm. Since it was a peek, I just gave Hook the benefit of the doubt there, that some other stuff happened that set some context up for him to be sincere with Neal because I’m just hoping they aren’t doing the cheesy 2 men fighting –but now I’ve read the recap…and I’m losing hope. When Emma gets mad at the guys for fighting, which they shouldn’t be doing, I hope she doesn’t blame them equally but she probably will. The thing is, its like Regina and Snow going at it. Emma might feel “I don’t care who started it, you’re acting like children”–but we all know its usually Regina who makes it a fight, it’s Regina who generally has persecuted Snow, and so saying “there’s been bad acts on both sides” (as I saw people do in the “Fairy Tale Court” thread by PoM)–seriously? Do we not pay any attention to the type and severity of the bad acts, is it like Eva and Cora are “even”–yeah, she tripped me, I poisoned her, glass houses and all that….NO! You’re not “even” or equally responsible when one person resorts to deadly force, that person has escalated things and deserves blame for it. Now Hook didn’t exactly try to kill Neal, but he did try to kill his father, and did hand him over to PP, and if he’s bringing up kissing Emma knowing the guy loves her and all that, well you’re right. Hook’s pushing buttons, as he does, and Emma might not be aware of it. I’ll have to just wait and see how it plays out though, but it might be a rough couple of weeks.
Since it might be rough, I’m just going to remind myself about the Zen story “Maybe”, it’s one of those old standards….
Maybe
Once upon the time there was an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. “Such bad luck,” they said sympathetically.
“Maybe,” the farmer replied.
The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. “How wonderful,” the neighbors exclaimed.
“Maybe,” replied the old man.
The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune.
“Maybe,” answered the farmer.
The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son’s leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.
“Maybe,” said the farmer.
(the end…or is it?)
Let’s face it, until the “happy ending” we’re never going to know for sure which way the wind is blowing, even if there’s magical wind and what looks like TLK. The writers can drag this thing out forever if they want, or they can stick a fork in it and declare a “winner” –or they can have Emma walk away, and introduce a new love interest for both guys and who knows. Since Emma is not a known fairytale they can really do whatever they want, and at any point what looks like a good thing could turn out to be bad.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
We’ll have to wait for the actual ep to see scene in context, see what this “good form” Hook’s showing is about, see how the conversation starts that leads to him saying she has to choose, see what Hook and Neal were actually specifically fighting about that makes Emma lose it. But just judging on what we do know right now, slurpeez made some good points. If Hook keeps pushing the issue, he’s only gonna keep digging himself a bigger hole.
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