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Just to tell a funny story, so yesterday at my spanish classe, we were reading a text, and guess who the text was about? Captain Hook, is was like, even here, are you serious?
Today in German classes, i have them on saturday morning, we were reading about daily routines, and one of the text had one girl saying she was at home and that on that day she saw on tv the movie Hook, i was like oh great, im being stalked by hook.
[adrotate group="5"]"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I am sooooo excited! 8 hours or so we will see how Emma gets her love to be alive agin! with Rumpelstiltskin’s help!!
I can’t wait to see how Rumpelstiltskin changes Neal’s fate so that Neal can have a second chance.
Neal’s fate has always been to have a horrible life and die. he was supposed to grow up without his father, be separated from his love, and then die. so when the ogre wars did not kill his father, they were supposed to kill him. both times, dark magic played a part in changing Neal’s fate 1)the seer, 2)the dark one
anyway, I am sure Gold will find a way to change Neal’s fate again.
and weather Rumple will be dead or not at the end of this season, he will probably expect to be which is why he made that hasty proposal to Belle. he was hoping to get a taste of happiness before the past will change and neither will remember this. and he might be back in the goo. maybe there will be a scene where Belle wakes up from a dream, in the enchanted forest right after they came back I episode 312 and the dream would be all that actually happened with zelena and the proposal and maybe even a wedding, and then she would realize that it never really happened because Rumple was still dead. the Emma shows up with Henry who is a year or so older, and Emma confirms that all that ACTUALLY HAPPENED, but it won’t now, because she came in time to warn Neal not to resurrect Rumple.
and, RG, there are many many many many things I agree with you on. in fact, I agree on almost everything you say except when you say that I don’t like Neal BECAUSE I DO
oh, and I don’t agree that Neal is dead dead
I just keep seeing, in my minds eye, little tiny Bae in that deleted scene where Rumple tells him his mom is dead. And all I can think is, they are going to give his girl to the same pirate who stole his mom. There are ten million and one issues I have with this story, but right this second, that’s the one I can’t get over… they’re going to give his girl to the pirate who stole his mom. I can’t even deal with the immense wrongness of it. That poor baby 🙁
ETA: I just keep rolling Bae’s story over in my mind and the word that comes to mind over & over is UNFAIR. You know, when I think of fairytales, the whole point is that good guys win, bad guys get punished and ultimately the heroes get their happy ever after. “Unfair” is not a word I associate with fairytales. What the poop happened here? 🙁
I dunno, they have 85 minutes to right the ship. There are so so many ways they could choose to do it… I just really need for you to pull this one out of the toilet, Once. Because, otherwise, really?!
So in the meantime, I’m just gonna live in my “Oz was just a dream” headcanon, whereby Emma wakes up at 8:15 in NYC trying to deal with her subconscious’ interpretation of her repressed memories. Perhaps her TL white light magical magic inherently overrides Regina’s memory spell :p Season 4 can be Emma&Henry trying to figure out how to get home, to their family in the Enchanted Forest. Or better yet, Bae can arrive at the door, ready to take them there himself… bookending the season.
One last random thought before I hit the hay. JMo gave an interview earlier in 3B where she mentioned something to the effect of, “At some point, Hook has a line where he says, ‘When am I going to stop chasing this girl?'” We haven’t seen such a line yet, so it must be in the finale. That gives me hope that perhaps Emma continues rejecting him, and perhaps we have a smidgen of a chance for them to tell a decent story. Kind of wonder if that is the Hook-on-Hook conversation, honestly.
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
Hello , i just wanted to come here and speak to you once. I am a long time lurker on this site and have loved this thread so much. My love for Baelfire knows no bounds and i will be forever bitter at the way he died.
I have been ruminating on this a lot over the last few weeks, since the death of Bae, which naturally came as a shock. I have been rewatching season 2 also. This will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but i do believe that CS was written to be canon from the start. Looking back on it now, the way they introduced Neal – as someone who didn’t go after Emma when he had the chance – made it clear. Then in Tallahassee, that beautiful episode where Emma was so happy – i remember now the way they left it. Neal, in Emma’s eyes, and in the rest of the fandoms eyes, abandoned Emma.
So the two episodes where we first saw Neal in season 2 were damning for him. Contrast that then, with Emma abandoning Hook on top of the beanstalk. Then the next time we saw Neal he was engaged. Then Colin broke his leg, and not once did the writers take the chance to romantically further SF, or resolve their issues, in my opinion. They didn’t make any headway until 2×21, and the next episode Hook “came back” (even though he left in the first place, but he did come back) for Emma. Adam said that himself. I heard the spouting off of “kindred spirits” and thought that CS would end up as good friends. I didn’t pay attention the the parallels between Snowing and CS, believing that ours were just as good. However the fact that there are parallels between Snowing and CS right from the very start, shows that the writers were indeed writing for them to become canon.
When Emma kissed Hook in 3×05, despite just having lost Neal AND professing her love for him, i started getting inklings that CS were going in a direction i thought they wouldn’t.
I have found a lot of solace here. i have never been a hater of CS, they just didn’t speak to me the way SF did. What i loved most about this thread was that it was never a CS hating thread.
However that has changed… i don’t come here eager to read new posts anymore, because every second or third one was hating on CS in some way. This has become the anti CS thread, rather than the SF loving thread. Only a few pages ago there is a post from the anti CS tumblr page, a very sick and toxic page. Another couple of pages ago (or further) there is a picture of Hook suspended over a shark, where the poster wanted him to meet a violent death.
It makes me thoroughly sad to see.
I believe that Neal’s death was planned since 3×06 at the very least. To believe Neals death wasn’t planned and that MRJ wanted out is to believe the rumors of him trashing his trailer, which i absolutely refuse to believe.
RumplesGirl i love your posts, and i have seen your efforts not to respond to this hatefulness in this thread. You are a beacon of rationale in this thread.
I do not say these things to make you all sad, rather, Swanfire will always live on in my heart, even if i do now believe that CS were written from the get-go. I have gained a measure of peace now that i have accepted that, and i hope some of you do too.
I believe that CS will become fully canon tonight, and Emma will profess her love for Hook. I say these things to you now in the hopes that you do not fully become the CS hating thread. I am afraid that will happen after tonights episode.
This should be a Swanfire loving thread, in memory of Neal and Baelfire, and Hook shouldn’t be mentioned in it. Unfortunately it is human nature, but it means that i will no longer read this thread after today.
To RG and KFC especially, i say thank you, because you are the rational people here.
#BaelfireWillAlwaysLiveOnWithMe
In caring for the character of Neal, it’s impossible not to -mention- Hook; their lives have been intertwined since Killian met Milah.
But I agree, it is not necessary to hate Hook just because one likes Neal or feels that Swanfire is a better ship for Emma. Hook is a delightful character played by an adorable and talented actor….and while I still don’t think he’s the best match for Emma, I DO want him to have a happy ending.
But I also want a happy ending for Henry. And Neal. And Rumple. And Belle. And Emma. And Snowing and their little baby. And heck, even Regina :p
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
@Baelfireliveson I’m also a long time lurker on this thread but I have a very different opinion. I love this thread so I might be a bit biased but here is what I think personally:
We all love the actors and actresses on OUAT, there is no doubt about that. If we express our feelings (positive or negative) towards certain characters, we are not saying that we dislike the actor or anything as such. We are simply unhappy with the way the story and the character is being written. It is important to discuss the character because eventually the writers will be sending a message to the audience using these characters. So If the show is portraying a character as a hero while there has hardly been any efforts to redeem the character fully (to put the character on the redemption road because he wants to change and become a good person to right his wrongs, and not because he wants to get the girl), I think it’s important to point these things out because a show about happy endings should not be sending the message that you can easily get your happy ending (even easier than everyone else) even if you haven’t learnt form your past mistakes and haven’t redeemed yourself.
I can’t understand why everyone is so afraid that CS will happen. It was so obviously written from the get go as NOT HAPPENING even though they WILL have chemistry, cause they were SUPPOSED to have chemistry.
it is very obvious that CS was never planned as the otp of ouat.
if anything, it was written as some sort of parallel to how I see Emma as the mirror of Gold.
remember desperate souls? when he said to her “I know how to recognize a desperate soul” the writers were implying that Emma and Gold are some sort of mirrors of each other.
Hook to Emma is like Cora to Rumple.
remember the kiss in 307? she told her mother “I felt good s I kissed him” wut??
how could she have felt good?? Neal was “dead” and Henry was lost…
same with Cora… look at how he treated Belle when he thought that she would distract him from finding Bae! it as almost abusive! no, it WAS abusive. he threw her into that little room then kicked her out of his castle etc.
but then look at Cora. He was almost ready to start a new family with that *itch. have a new child with her. something he would NEVER want with Belle without first knowing that Baelfire is alive and happy and safe.
it’s the same with Emma. she couldn’t be happy and kiss Neal without first knowing that Henry was safe and happy. Neal was never a distraction to her. Neal is the real thing.
Hook an Cora are the distractions
there’s a reason they were introduced TOGETHER
nothing good came out of Cora/Rumple and nothing good would come of CS
something good DID come out of Milah/Rumple and rumbelle, but NOTHING came out of Cora/Rumple
and out of SF came Henry, AND true love. AND Regina’s redemption AND Regina’s white magic. Henry being born of the truest love is even MORE powerful than Emma. he is able to TRANSFER true love power to others that he loves!!
(Emma was also able to transfer magic to Regina, but not HER OWN magic, she only gave Regina a BOOST (like in a car battery) to use Regina’s own magic, but HENRY actually transferred HIS OWN magic to Regina
HENRY is even more powerful than Emma
We are simply unhappy with the way the story and the character is being written. It is important to discuss the character because eventually the writers will be sending a message to the audience using these characters. So If the show is portraying a character as a hero while there has hardly been any efforts to redeem the character fully (to put the character on the redemption road because he wants to change and become a good person to right his wrongs, and not because he wants to get the girl), I think it’s important to point these things out because a show about happy endings should not be sending the message that you can easily get your happy ending (even easier than everyone else) even if you haven’t learnt form your past mistakes and haven’t redeemed yourself.
THIS! This show has sent some very positive messages, but it’s not ALL sunshine and roses, and as media consumers, we’re not obligated to just accept what we’re given without voicing criticism, especially if it’s an issue we feel strongly about on a personal and/or moral level.
Can I believe that they’d always intended for Hook to fall for Emma? Yes. Due in no small part to the fact that Eion has mentioned that originally the plan was to do a triangle with August instead, but things changed. I toyed with liking WoodenSwan for a little bit, but ended up deciding that IMO they had more of a sibling vibe. But there were times where August would look at her a certain way and I can believe they were laying groundwork for a story line where he was gonna totally fall for her. Instead we got Hook falling for her. WoodenSwanFire or CaptainSwanFire, the common denominator is SwanFire, and the third wheel was intended to cause a speedbump for them getting together. That was the plan from way back. Unless and until the finale shows me differently, as of right now, I still believe that to be the case, because I don’t believe they’ve been telling a story for Hook and Emma that would be believable as a reciprocal romance. Unrequited love, absolutely, but if they have Emma suddenly in love with him in the finale, it will feel like a complete contradiction to Emma’s characterisation thus far IMO. I’ve seen tumblr posts from people who don’t even ship SF who have said that an SF reunion was obviously where the show was headed up until very recently, and the change of direction if they do put CS together is a ridiculous spur of the moment change.
SF and CS are the antithesis of each other in several ways, not the least of which is that Neal has made it clear that he just wants her to be happy, even if it’s without him, but Hook is constantly swooning and trying, and won’t give it up even though she’s shown no interest. The healthy relationship is the one where the guy just wants the girl to be happy, and that will bring him peace and happiness too, even if she’s not with him. “If you love someone, set them free,” isn’t a well known saying for nothing, and that’s the attitude Neal had with Emma, both in present day and in the past. So if we see that the show is potentially planning to endorse the opposite set of morals that aren’t healthy in our eyes, we’re allowed to be mad about it and vent that upset. And because the issues of the conflicting ships are so closely tied together, it’s inevitable that we’ll discuss the opposing side here.
As far as the ACS blog goes, I don’t think it’s “toxic”. It doesn’t exist in an attempt to recruit more people to the anti-CS cause and generate widespread hate. It exists as a place for people to vent and rant about something they strongly dislike in a safe environment with like minded people. I’m not an active tumblr user, I don’t agree with everything that’s been said on ACS, but I ain’t gonna lie, I’ve sent asks to ACS when there are times that something is driving me so nuts that I just need to rant in a place where there isn’t a language censor filter and I know that other people will get what I’m mad about. There’s also an anti-SF tumblr blog, and I’m sure CSers from this site would have sent messages to it for the same reasons I’ve sent messaged to anti-CS.
Hook was one of my fave characters last season, and even up through the first few eps of this season. I think the story line they’ve given him since then has been a great disservice to the character and a waste of Colin’s talents, and it’s been a detriment to the show as a whole, and that’s a disappointing thing when a character (and show) you used to really enjoy has devolved so much in your eyes. They could have done something far more interesting and compelling with Hook IMO.
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