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I know I’ll keep watching, because I have to see the whole show out no matter what. But right now I’m SO happy for a long break, because I just feel so DONE with it all. The last time I got this emotionally attached to a show, it got axed after 16 eps. Maybe one day I’ll learn. At least I made a few friends in that fandom who I’m still friends with years later, so it wasn’t a total wasted investment.
AGREED. i need this break sooooooo badly right now.
Now, how about that drink?
sourceCan we talk about the fact that his is carousel (Horses/Unicorns) and that it’s the same blue as her mobile?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hadn’t noticed the colour of the lights. The pic in the middle up the top, it’s of a place by the water. Tallahassee.
You know what surprises me most of all about this? That I feel this way. I mean I have been preparing for this for ages. Everything played out exactly how I thought it would. I guess there really is a difference between knowing it and actually seeing it right in front of you. I tried to reply in some of the threads about the episode, but all my responses were snarky and I felt like I should at least spare, those who did enjoy the episode, my depressingness. Instead I’m bothering you all with my depressingness, which seems even more unfair, but I really don’t have anywhere else to go with my feelings.
always welcome here!! <3
[quote=268750]Hadn’t noticed the colour of the lights. The pic in the middle up the top, it’s of a place by the water. Tallahassee.[/quote]
and that's a thing I didn't notice.
#WHY
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Thanks RG. Right now I feel defeated. ABC got their wish. And we got… one final scene to painfully remind us that Emma and Neal were meant to be.
Oh and of course we got one brand spanking new love triangle! Hurrah… *sighs*
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they gave Neal’s story to Hook. Neal was supposed to take that journey with her to her parents past. Why? Because Neal has always been the one to show Emma what love is about. They were gonna get back together after their trip and Henry would have his father back in his life
Just read this part. Man. That one stings.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Couple hours sleep and the tears have stopped, at least.
So three years in, and this is the story we are supposed to believe:
For Emma, Neal provided her first home ever, inside that stolen car.
He provided her definition of home, which he gave her the night they met.
He was the first person who loved her, ever.
He taught her, apparently, MANY skills that while not glamorous were essential for her survival over the years.
He gave her her child, who (current episode notwithstanding) is the center of her universe and reason for existing.
He gave up his happiness in order to allow her to fulfil her destiny, and get her home to her parents.
He was willing to die, so she could stay with their child, after being back in their life mere weeks.
He was willing to go back to the place of his nightmares, where he had been trapped for hundreds of years, to save his family.
He laid his feelings on the line, but was willing to move out of the way to respect her wishes.
He was willing to sacrifice, again, going back to the homeland he feared and later dying in order to protect her and their child.Yet on Emma’s part, after experiencing what she thought was his death, she –
Wished him dead
Helped him die
Insisted he stay dead.Ok A&E. Is this the story you were trying to tell with these two, really?
Something tells me that’s not what they were going for. And yet that’s what they got.
I don’t know if I subscribe to “they gave Hook Neal’s story” with respect to the cursed lips, etc – but I sure am puzzled. Why on earth do you make a guy integral to EVERY piece of this girl’s character – and then nothing? Everything that makes Emma “Emma” seems to date back to that relationship. And they opted to just toss the guy aside like a chewed-up piece of gum. “K, thanks, you were formitive in her life, but now we’re done with you. Six feet under you go!”
I don’t know what happened BTS or in the writers room, but I do know it resulted in a show I just don’t want to watch anymore. I don’t quit things very well, and frankly, if there wasn’t a hiatus, I probably couldn’t. But come September, life will look very different and I will have already found something to do in my Sunday 8PM time slot. Hopefully that makes it easier to break the addiction. But this show is no longer what it once was. When we did our watch through just before the season started, I was struck by how much richer the show was on the second watch through. But what jumped out at me, I’m realizing now, were primarily the clues dropped about the Emma-Henry-Neal family. How do I ever watch that again? How does one sit there, during Price of Gold, and watch Emma be hurt that “some people only have the back of a car,” when I know how this story turns out? Or watch her do her damndest not to split up two young people who steal from convenience stores to survive in “True North,” knowing that when push came to shove, splitting them up was just not that big of a deal to her, and death was an okay solution.
We won’t even talk about the guilt I feel for roping Other Roomie into this. Per the shipping notice I found the other day, we started watching the show two weeks before 315 aired. I know we got her up to speed, watching the last couple of episodes, the Saturday after it aired; we did warn her at 311 that the show was about to take a hard left turn but I am not sure she really comprehended it. Her sad sad little sad face last night… yeah. I have guilt. If only I’d waited those two weeks, everyone in my house would be in a little less emotional turmoil at the moment.
Anyways. RG, I think the thing that struck me was not that the show is no longer about hope – it’s not, and that’s a recent turn (unless your name is Marian, to whom Emma’s speech played out pretty well – oh and while Snow gave her the hope, you know who gave her the way out? Yep, Neal again…) because in Neverland we had Snow still preaching hope to Emma. It’s the fact that the creators of the show no longer preach hope. Why is that, what happened? I really want to rail against them and scream and yell about how they ruined our story but at the end of the day, it’s obvious there has been a shift and my experience in the industry tells me it probably did not come from within. So maybe that’s why we see confusing mixed messages; the SF clues in 19, 20, 22 come from trying to still plant seeds of the original SF story in the story that they have now been required to tell. Who knows. It’s the only thing that makes sense *to me,* and if the CS was a network requirement, I can see them feeling the only way to tell that story in truth was to have Neal dead. Because we know now, pretty concretely, they could only happen if he is dead – he had to be dead for the kiss to happen in Neverland and dead for them to happen now. Because he is the only guy Emma ever loved – one of few people she’s ever said “I love you” to – and their bond is stronger than just about anything. So if they had to go CS, Neal had to be dead, because with him alive, Emma would have gravitated back there… again and again and again.
So yep, as Onyx says, they had SF woven through the fabric of the show from the beginning, but they have now retconned the whole show to weave CS through it. Forget dreamcatchers in the nursery when Hook is right there in the storybook with Emma watching them fall in love! Onyx, you don’t need to apologize for bothering us with your depressingness – or if you do, I do too – this is the best and only place to put it at the moment.
Just dawned on me that we never got to see Emma find out Walsh was the wizard. More craptastic storytelling. Par for the course anymore.
And we won’t even talk about “I’ll see both of you again.” What a load of crap. That child is emotionally damaged, permanently, forever. He had his dad for a hot minute – a father who was willing to do anything for him, go to the ends of the earth (and other realms) and sacrifice EVERYTHING so that he would have a family. And then never got a chance to say goodbye. But will we ever see the emotional ramifications of that? Or of Emma wishing him dead? Or how damn UNFAIR it is to have someone you love so much go before their time? No. Because here comes another big bad, apparently the snow queen this time, that we need to go defeat. God forbid our characters have five minutes to process anything that happens to them, or react organically to anything. This show has become emotionally exhausting to me, and I don’t have it to give anymore. Once I plow through this emotional crisis, I am done – done, done, done. There are such rich character points thrown out there and they are brushed aside and stepped over. Will we ever see Rumple deal with the fact that he COULD have saved Bae but he chose to take a forgetting potion instead? Doubtful. Just like in the last episode, we hardly focused on Snowing having ANOTHER babe taken long enough for it to have any emotional relevence. They focused on Snow for 2.5 seconds, juuust long enough for me to start to FEEL something for her, before it was cut to something else and off we go.
It’s not good storytelling. For a show that I fell for, deeply, because of how much richer the story was the second time through, that is bitterly disappointing to me. The storytelling on this show used to be BRILLIANT. It’s what made Manhattan amazing, they spent a season and a half getting us there and everything we’d learned about the characters was played out there in that episode. Now though, we have someone wish a character dead and several episodes later, when that that character dies *in their laps* we never mention it. Really? That wasn’t worth a scene with a few choked back sobs, “I wished him dead, and now he is?” No. It never happened. It was relevent and emotionally right in that moment – and listen, I am (or maybe was) the biggest defender of Echo Cave; she didn’t REALLY wish that he was dead, she was trying to explain that it was the less painful of the two options – but now I wonder – did she? Because his death just doesn’t seem to be that big of a problem for her. “You can save him, right?” “Nope.” “K.” “Meh, just leave him dead.” For frick’s sake, show, are you serious?! She loved this man for a dozen years, despite him causing her ENORMOUS pain, she never stopped loving him – but she is totally cool with him being dead?
You killed a man for your ship. Reasons, whatever they are, I get that. But at the end of the day, Neal Cassidy’s blood is on the hands of the CS story. *Baelfire’s* blood is on the CS story. I mean, I guess, what’s another death at the hands of the esteemed captain, but for Emma? That should be a Really. Big. Deal. But it’s not. Because “she loved him too,” past tense please note, but he died a hero so it’s all okay. It’s cool Emma. You get your home, with your parents, but your child doesn’t deserve the same. And you get to know your child, but his father doesn’t deserve the same.
It’s a load of bull honkey, is what it is, and I choose to take my viewership and go home.
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
Oops. Cross-posted. That doesn’t usually happen at this hour of the morning.
I bet if we stared at those swings from above it would look like a dreamcatcher :/
That scene was beautiful, and relevent, and right. It’s a reminder of everything the show used to be, and should have been. It was the best thing to come out of this finale, the best and the saddest all at the same time, that thing that makes it harder and easier and deeper and just… I don’t get this story. I really don’t. All of that setup, and for absolutely crappin’ nothing.
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
In case it’s important to anyone else –
Playland, Vancouver, BC. (Roller coaster nerd, I knew it couldn’t be too hard to find with that coaster in the background.)
Irony, the ride you see behind them that says “Crazy Be” is the “Crazy Beach Party.” The swings themselves seem to be called “Wave Swinger,” a pretty standard name for a model of swings (also known as a swing carousel.) I am guessing that’s more coincidental than anything, but, there it is.
Although, alternate view –
The lights sure don’t appear blue in the bulk of the lit pictures I am finding, so I’m guessing the observation above about the color is non-accidental. Plenty more images here, thank you Google, and here’s one where it is lit blue —
Why put so much thought and care into a story you killed episodes ago, guys? Why? It just makes it hurt more, you know. Because you COULD have done it so beautifully. But instead, you kill our guy, and hand his family to the pirate who took his mother away. It is just.so.wrong!
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
I can do nothing but agree with you DSB. I guess they might not have given Hook Neal’s story literally, they obviously tweaked it to make it fit for Hook. Fact remains this journey was meant for Swanfire. That dance in FTL, her first ball, the kiss at the end, all the speeches about love and family and home. Who else but Neal could make her realise all those things? Well, Captain Hook apparently…
Actually I take that back, it was STILL Neal who made her realise it, because she was reminded of their conversation in the flashback. HIS words were what eventually hit home.
Why put so much thought and care into a story you killed episodes ago, guys? Why?
I’m starting to think it’s because maybe, just maybe, A&E are sad too about having to give up their own original, self created character and love story. If all of this is indeed an ABC driven decision. Perhaps it’s their own way of coping with the fact that they had to get rid of Neal. Send us a message that this is what they intended to do; create a happy ending for Emma and Neal. By indeed showing what could have been (and most likely would have been) had they not been forced to give up on that direction.
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Hey everyone
Didn`t saw the episode , but heard about it and ended seing some gifs online.
Don`t know if i cry or scream. But i think im much more like relaxed after this epi, bc i wasnt expecting anything, besides CS, OOC moments, destryoing OQ, although with the wedding destroy also RB, of course the baby and neal were a surprise, but outside this was the fan fiction i thought would be.
Im not going to speak about the epi, simply because i didnt saw it, but about the baby name, i said that here, that would be sweet to name him Neal, but they wouldn`t go that way, because they want us to forget about Neal, but is even worst now, guess this was what Adam and Eddie, meant by the whole thing “the character as we know it, wont be back”, since Neal is now a baby, but I never realised that name the baby Neal was the ideal thing to do, in order to erase “our” Neal, becuase now we cannot clearly say Neal, because now there are 2, “Neal” and baby Neal, so clearly the way to diferenciate them is in fact call “our” Neal by his real name Bae, so there it goes, our Neal is to became Bae, someone they will never mention again, even Rumple didnt went to his son grave, talk about OOC, probably rumple drama next season will be having new babies with belle. And at the same time, the writers dont like us at all, what have we ever done to them? So while the show last, the persons that still see and are Bae fans( was about to right neal), are not obliged to keep hearing his name, and a painful reminder of what happened.
About all the other characters, is all OOC, that they will have to keep it for the remain seasons, guess, that Hook is now to Emma, what graham was to regina( except about the whole heart thing), a friend with benefits.
About Henry, I see his next year, be about going back to regina, having hate towards his stepfather, bc i bet we will see hook moving with emma to a new apartment, and all this triangle again of emma/henry/regina all over again.
About Regina, wow, just wow, the queen didnt get her happy ending, now the question is , will she next season be like Rumple all OOC, or will she try to do everything in her power to have Robin back? Since she cannot kill Marian on SB, without everyone going against her, i see her using even Henry( with the idea, i can bring your father back) and Rumple( with i can bring your son back), in order for them to help her go back in time and make marian dead in the past, well this if she is also not OOC, and simply move on with henry like nothing happened. And not trying revenge against emma or try to get robin back
About Frozen, why just why, so is not enough destroyed a story i saw for the past 1.5 years( only started watching bc MRJ, before used to see it like as a GA, but could be like weeks without seing bc that i didnt care) so they will destroy my favorite character, if not in a filler episode, since she was the end scene, i think is they may go with Elsa, but with not exactly as the Fozen story, they may go with snow queen, the story in which frozen was inspired, either way i see them making her the villain, so there it goes, another destroyed character.
You all know, bc i said it before, that i dont see the show since 314, and thank god, appears there are some great new shows coming, and we only know this about one channel, we still have to have all the others upfronts, i also thank having a hiatuts to make sure i will do the complete detox, however while writing this, somthing may have changed in my mind so i really need to think about it, we have many months and for me the show no longer makes sense, and until september i believe that i will look behind and see the only good thing behind was the friends i gain, learn my lesson, dont go in to other show, without having by eyes open for all characters and ships, and now is the part where you say im OOC, but if my idea doesnt change starting last night i may have become a Evil Regal, and because of that wish to see Regina in full evil mode( not going to say to destroy who), and with that thought i may see it next season in live stream, or at least read the spoilers, to see how much damage they can do to their own story, but this time , without anger, sadness( well maybe a bit if they destroy Elsa) of course this can also change and i hope it does,bc this feeling was a surprise to me, even putting in consideration seing the show next year, makes me want to beat myself, and say are you idiot?
About SF scene, can it be, that was filmed for 206 and was cut and they use it now? Bc no one knew about MRJ filming, althought by the looks( jen and mrj) appear to me that was filmed this year, also, can i say i think , since Elsa was CGI( and ginny said in a interview that we would find out where we were going next) i dont think was the secret scene, i think the secret scene was this one, SF, bc the way i saw some OUAT actors and even Sean wife on twiter, the way they tweeted, looks like they werent expecting to see him, so i think that was the surprise, maybe even filmed in LA, bc no reports of MRJ filming. Also think was the last time they showed Neal, at least i hope so, because if emma is now with hook why would she remenber neal again, so again they were beyond cruel, by develop a death character so soon after his death( graham, cora , probably pan( they did hinted we may know more about hook past in nVL some months ago, maybe zelena ( probably in fb) were all like seasons after they die), why not show all this with him alive and then kill him, but no, they hate us with all heir hearts.
Well thank you once again for the great, happy and sad moments we passed together. Im not saying goodbye to this thread, this place is our home, but think needed to say this words any way.
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