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Rainbow, the scene was filmed in Vancouver. I’m guessing it was freshly filmed for 322 – the dialogue felt more like 322 – although I did, too, wonder if it was filmed way back when they did Tallahassee.
Ginny specifically said the secret scene was the last scene of the ep, didn’t she?
Onyx, that’s really where I am now, if ABC dictated CS then A&E are doing what they can to translate their initial vision and hang onto the scraps. How can I not have compassion for that? I sent a long tweet last night, not without bitterness, but at its core saying thank you for the story. Because it is a beautiful story. And if this was not all by choice of the writers, then I want them to know that there are some out there who recognize that they wrote an amazing love story, even if we only got to see it halfway through. I’m curious how they saw them coming back together, and I hope some day we hear, but for now, I am choosing to hold harmless. For me, I would rather aim my anger at a network than at two people… it might be misplaced but it feels less damaging that way. Plus, on the outside chance that it is ABC-dictated and they had to flush their own story, that they spent a decade developing and a couple of seasons setting up – that’s gotta hurt like h*ll and I can’t in good conscience add to that. It kind of makes the most sense to me, based on what we’ve seen, and based on how networks work. They went CS but did their best to still infuse SF into it; he sent the message to get Emma home, gave her the identity of home and the tools to get her there.
It still hurts though, it hurts a ton.
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One thing that I did like about that scene, is now I feel like we’ve seen the moment where she fell for him, or at least, started to. It’s always been my headcanon that he fell for her pretty much instantly – by the time we got to “You could have just asked for the keys” he was here. That look in her eye at the end of the swings scene, to me, is the start of her falling headlong off the cliff of her true love.
“You were a thief, you stole my heart…”
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Ok A&E. Is this the story you were trying to tell with these two, really?
Something tells me that’s not what they were going for. And yet that’s what they got.
The connection between Neal and Emma is an integral thing woven into the moral of the whole show. I can’t believe they just tossed it aside like this.
How do I ever watch that again? How does one sit there, during Price of Gold, and watch Emma be hurt that “some people only have the back of a car,” when I know how this story turns out? Or watch her do her damndest not to split up two young people who steal from convenience stores to survive in “True North,” knowing that when push came to shove, splitting them up was just not that big of a deal to her, and death was an okay solution.
OMG THIS! Nevermind how impossible it will be to re-watch any ep the involves Bae in any way, knowing how his poor sad life ended up, but all that subtle stuff they did with Emma way back in the start of the show, you’re right, it will be impossible to re-watch without feeling that it’s now hollow.
It’s the only thing that makes sense *to me,* and if the CS was a network requirement, I can see them feeling the only way to tell that story in truth was to have Neal dead. Because we know now, pretty concretely, they could only happen if he is dead – he had to be dead for the kiss to happen in Neverland and dead for them to happen now. Because he is the only guy Emma ever loved – one of few people she’s ever said “I love you” to – and their bond is stronger than just about anything. So if they had to go CS, Neal had to be dead, because with him alive, Emma would have gravitated back there… again and again and again.
Yup, given that they’d established their bond as being so strong and enduring, there’s just no way they could have put their hot new couple together while Neal was still on the canvas.
It’s not good storytelling. For a show that I fell for, deeply, because of how much richer the story was the second time through, that is bitterly disappointing to me. The storytelling on this show used to be BRILLIANT. It’s what made Manhattan amazing, they spent a season and a half getting us there and everything we’d learned about the characters was played out there in that episode.
It’s really quite depressing to see the downturn in quality, considering what it used to be. They DID do a LOT of things right earlier on in the show, which just makes the state of things now even more sad.
About Henry, I see his next year, be about going back to regina, having hate towards his stepfather, bc i bet we will see hook moving with emma to a new apartment, and all this triangle again of emma/henry/regina all over again.
I always said I’d wanna weep for Hook if they landlocked him. And they’ve gone and done it. *sigh* I hope Henry is a right little brat next season. I don’t want to see him blindly accept Emma’s relationship with Hook, because for the love of God can we have someone on the show point out that there’s crap wrong with that relationship. And his other mother will probably be going dark again by the look of it, so she won’t be a good alternate influence. I wanna see Henry rebelling and coming into his own magic. Maybe have him find out somehow that Rumple could have perhaps saved his father, and have him get pissed about that too. Magical Henry vs Dark One Grandpa. Maybe then Rumple would finally be undone.
Found this:
Couldn’t be more accurate if you ask me.
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One other thing that scene does is adds extra poignancy to her first meaningful scenes with Henry being in a park. Where she explains about being without a family, nonetheless. Just when I thought Pilot couldn’t get any weightier. :/
THAT my friends is what made Once so amazing. And that, my friends, is what they’ve lost by insisting on retconning the crap out of this story.
I do wonder, of S4, what will it be about, really? The show, on the surface, was about Emma finding her way home to her family; as you dug deeper, it was about Rumple finding a way back to his son. It dovetailed as those two stories merged into one. But both of those motivating factors are gone, now; Emma is home, she knows her parents, she has her child, and Bae is dead. What becomes the driving force at the center of the show?
I wonder if that’s truly why 3B was so bad; it was a show without a central tether. 3A was still centrally about the small SF family – saving Henry, Neal’s journey to get to his family, Emma finding her identity as a lost girl. But 3B just kind of wandered without a core; kill the witch was the whole point of the show and it just rung empty. We all felt it, certainly. Is 4 likely to be better? Doubtful. Neverland wasn’t the strongest story ever, but it “felt” on track. Without that core motivation, I just question whether Once could ever even “feel” like Once again.
I’ve never, ever seen a show jump the shark in front of me like this one did at 315. And unless they do some serious retcon magic, I am not sure if it is even possible to right the ship at this point. They had the opportunities, but would not or could not take them.
Heartbroken. I’m gonna miss this show so badly.
“I’m finally walking away cause you’ll only hurt me… you’re not worthy…
I won’t let you pull me in
‘Cause I know you’re gonna win
So the war is over…
I can’t fight you anymore
I’ve never been so sure
That the war is over…”Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
Found this:
Couldn’t be more accurate if you ask me.
this gif is SO accurate it makes me want to weep.
The connection between Neal and Emma is an integral thing woven into the moral of the whole show. I can’t believe they just tossed it aside like this.
Yes. It’s madness. Insanity. And I fail to comprehend how it won’t be their undoing. The SF family dynamic love story is what drove the whole show. It’s like – going back to the WoT fabric/dreamcatcher – they just yanked a bunch of threads out if that thing, there is nothing to do but watch it unravel.
We’ve gone from “bring back all of the happy endings” and “the start of a happy ending is hope” to “happy endings aren’t always what you think.” Sure, maybe not, but I’m pretty sure they’re also not death.
OMG THIS! Nevermind how impossible it will be to re-watch any ep the involves Bae in any way, knowing how his poor sad life ended up, but all that subtle stuff they did with Emma way back in the start of the show, you’re right, it will be impossible to re-watch without feeling that it’s now hollow.
Yeah, I can’t – I just can’t. I don’t think I could ever get rid of my S1&2 DVDs – I love the story entirely too much – but I also don’t think I can watch them, either. They’ll sit on the shelf until probably finale, when hopefully they find some sort of crazy Lost-esque way to get these two crazy kids to Tallahassee.
Yup, given that they’d established their bond as being so strong and enduring, there’s just no way they could have put their hot new couple together while Neal was still on the canvas.
It’s insane, really. I joked a while back that our ship was so awesome the only way to end it was death, but I’ll say it again and I’m not joking now. It’s insane, really, if the only way to write one side of a triangle is to kill the other half.
Just realized, right now, what they did with OQ. It was their SF vindication :/ I had some posts earlier about how they were writing them as parallel – Robin’s lines about being a thief and losing Marian due to one of his jobs and such. It was so clearly worded in a way to parallel Neal losing Emma via the watches… here I thought OQ was the SF parallel, what with all of the “Regina and Emma are the same” talk in interviews. But no, OQ was the CS parallel, cute enough, but too rushed, too easy, and we knew it would never last. Because as soon as the missing family member ceased to be dead, it was crystal clear who the choice was – there was no choice – and the reformed villain instantaneously lost out, without a second thought.
And that’s why Marian came home with them. If they couldn’t fix SF with this time traveling adventure, by bringing Bae back, they at least could fix the SF parallel family. Dang. Crying again.
ETA: And that’s that scene at the end of 315, that seemed so wrong and out of place. If I had the heart to stop and think about it, I’d wager to guess we could find the tale told parallel all through 3 – beginning with the shadow & dark castle, through the Belle discussion in 312 and right up to the end there of 322. Dang. I am not sure if I feel better or worse, realizing that.
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Btw, does anyone else feel that Hook gave Emma a bit too much credit in one of his speeches? He said that she defeated Pan and Zelena, but that’s not entirely true. In fact, in both cases Emma had very little to do with it. Rumple killed Pan and Regina disarmed Zelena and then Rumple killed her aswell. And while I’m at it, Regina broke the second curse with Henry. What exactly is Emma’s purpose these days?
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Onyx, it’s absolutely true. Emma had nearly no purpose in 3B. She did save Henry from Z in the boathouse, but apart from that, all she did in 3B was magically separate Neal. (She was, at least, part of the team in 3A.) She could have stayed in NY without materially effecting the season.
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