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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Thanks, RG. Me too :/
Millie – I had a beta, although I revised again after she read it. Not sure I’m ready for ff.net, though I have considered it. Thanks!
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
Just got caught up on a whole lotta pages and firstly WORD to what you all said and *HUGS* to everyone!
slurpeez, thanks for the links to those reviews by actual critics. I may not agree with every word of them, but I do agree with much of them and it’s good to see people who are actually employed to write reviews publicly, calling out the problematic elements of the show.
Bless Shatner, can we just make him head writer plz?
DSB, I look forward to reading your fic when I’m on the computer (on my phone right now and can’t open the pdf).
Think it was Corbin who made the first bean post? God yes to how ridiculous that was! I guess we were supposed to accept Regina’s “there’s a wall between worlds” as why a bean was of no use to them, but was to Hook after the “wall” was broken with the Curse? Well Hook didn’t know about those specifics, so why was he not trading for a bean back to Emma before he even got the JR back? Logic FAIL. If it was because they wanted to show NEAL being the one to really help get her home, then fine, but considering Neal didn’t get anything good for that heroic act but Hook got all the credit instead, then NOT fine.
Neal gave Emma her definition of home. He helped set her on the path to SB, her home, TWICE in her life. It’s a perversion of the poetry of the whole freaking story that SF won’t end up having their dream of “home” fulfilled.
Shiny new crack headcanon: Elsa overheard all about the Neal situation, how Emmma wanted to save him, how Rumple could have saved him but instead forgot. That combined with Emma having brought back Marian which led to Regina’s heartbreak, will lead to Elsa teaming up with Henry to restore the TL relationships of both his mothers.
As much as I would like to let go, it’s extremely hard. Like an addiction. I woke up in the middle of the night, just crying about the injustice of Neal’s character and the show’s shitty direction. And I know the issue has been beaten to death, but it’s good to get it out of the system, perhaps even give lurkers something to relate to during this time or mourning. I was just appalled at what they did to the original fairy-tales, (Neverland and Oz being a shadow of its original glory, in my opinion) all the characters, even Hook, who isn’t really Hook anymore. I don’t know what he is now…I’m trying to pinch myself to see I’m not dreaming….or stuck in some Twilight Zone…. God I need a drink…
I finally finished watching the entire two episodes. And liked and hated it at the same time. The Emma moments in EF was awesome. Her interacting with DO Rumple was hysterical. I just pretend to paint Hook out of the picture and it gets better. Seriously Hook serves no impact on the overall OUAT story and core message. That was left to the FB Neal scene. Even after death he was still relevant to the show which is astounding, since it proves that they can’t write him out entirely no matter how hard they try. He will always be relevant to Rumple and Emma, two main core characters on the show.
I’m still angry about how things turned out. There’s a difference in being sad about a death and then there’s being totally pissed off at how badly the death affected the storyline. I’ve seen many death scenes that shocked me to my core but this was more anger then shock. I really believe something happened behind the scenes. The story just made a 180 degree turn and retcon everything it established from the first 2 seasons. Something just doesn’t smell right. I had an inkling that Neal’s death was a dramatic change in the story early on, I fully believe it now more than ever because like someone posted before the writers are pretty much making it up as they go along since they introduced freakin Frozen as the next main arc, a movie that barely came out less then a year ago. That doesn’t scream a 5 year story laid out like they always claim they know what direction they’re heading. News flash! They don’t.*SIGH*
I’m really glad after reading those TV site reviews that some people are starting to see the light and pointing out A&E’s crap. Those who can view the story as a whole can see the show just derailed and fell off the railroad tracks and into the raven and burst into flames. Others who just care about their characters will just turn a blind eye. But I don’t see anyone that happy except for CS. They’ve pretty much pissed off more the half of the fandom now. Rumbellers, OutlawQueen, SFers, Neal fans, SQ, etc… It’s just a mess.
Phee wrote: Shiny new crack headcanon: Elsa overheard all about the Neal situation, how Emmma wanted to save him, how Rumple could have saved him but instead forgot. That combined with Emma having brought back Marian which led to Regina’s heartbreak, will lead to Elsa teaming up with Henry to restore the TL relationships of both his mothers.
I like Phee, I like…
You know what would have also made this a more emotional impactful episode. Having Emma time travel to EF with NEAL if he was still alive. Both reconciling their issues with each other. Both seeing what their parent’s life was like back then. Emma finally accepting her EF heritage and Neal witnessing firsthand his father’s dedication to finding him and opening up to being a loving person with Belle. I can imagine their quips about the Disney movies they watched while seeing real life fairy-tales unfold. I can imagine Neal teaching Emma some EF customs since he lived there for 14 years. I can imagine Emma having to flirt with past Hook and Neal getting jealous and sucker punching him as pay back for what he did to him in Neverland. (I’m sorry Hook getting jealous with himself was beyond stupid) Finally both fixing the past and Neal reassuring Rumple that his son still loves him and would forgive him and he’ll find his son again. Then Emma and Neal jumps back through the time portal. Finding their way HOME. They finally realized they found their Tallahassee. It would have been beautiful!!!!I’m thinking of writing this AU fic. hmmm….
You know what would have also made this a more emotional impactful episode. Having Emma time travel to EF with NEAL if he was still alive. Both reconciling their issues with each other. Both seeing what their parent’s life was like back then. Emma finally accepting her EF heritage and Neal witnessing firsthand his father’s dedication to finding him and opening up to being a loving person with Belle. I can imagine their quips about the Disney movies they watched while seeing real life fairy-tales unfold. I can imagine Neal teaching Emma some EF customs since he lived there for 14 years. I can imagine Emma having to flirt with past Hook and Neal getting jealous and sucker punching him as pay back for what he did to him in Neverland. (I’m sorry Hook getting jealous with himself was beyond stupid) Finally both fixing the past and Neal reassuring Rumple that his son still loves him and would forgive him and he’ll find his son again. Then Emma and Neal jumps back through the time portal. Finding their way HOME. They finally realized they found their Tallahassee. It would have been beautiful!!!!
Oh my gosh, I wish this would’ve played on my screen last night!
That was left to the FB Neal scene. Even after death he was still relevant to the show which is astounding, since it proves that they can’t write him out entirely no matter how hard they try. He will always be relevant to Rumple and Emma, two main core characters on the show.
It’s like they’re trying to simultaneously show how he’s an integral part of the show still, but also show that he’s not important enough to grant a happy ending to. So contradictory.
But I don’t see anyone that happy except for CS. They’ve pretty much pissed off more the half of the fandom now. Rumbellers, OutlawQueen, SFers, Neal fans, SQ, etc… It’s just a mess.
It’s quite an impressive effort how many sections of their fandom they’ve managed to totally alienate.
You know what would have also made this a more emotional impactful episode. Having Emma time travel to EF with NEAL if he was still alive. Both reconciling their issues with each other. Both seeing what their parent’s life was like back then.
Not enough YES in the universe to everything you said about the possibility for that story instead of what we got. If you write that fanfic I’d love to read it.
Just have to say I love you guys. Luna, I totally get you – I am up, again, in the middle of the night and it’s really starting to get old. I realized yesterday I am going to have to walk away from this fanning for a while; I adore it so much but my day yesterday was seriously unhealthy. I have myself a single day for “sad fanning” and it was just too much. I wish I could break down why this affects me so – I think then I could snap out of this and move forward. But instead it’s 2AM and I’m awake, again, with a yucky feeling in the pit of my stomach, tossing and turning. There is no resolution, there will be no resolution or explanation for what happened and that makes it so much harder to let it go.
Read a conversation on my FB yesterday and I really wish I hadn’t. It made it crystal-clear how GA views story; accept what the show tells you in the moment instead of using your brain to recall the previous episode. It’s how we have half of the crap we have, no one cares enough to call them out on it.
So if I disappear for a while, know that I have not abandoned ship or gone insane but rather run into the real world for perspective. Cause I can’t fix this, and that’s contrary to my personality… so I gotta walk for a while. No worries, I’ll be back eventually, but I think a few days off will do me some good. We’ll see if my resolve can hold – I tried last night and made it mere hours. This thread is like an addiction 😉
Love to all!
Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...
I’m angry that CLEARLY Emma’s concept of home stems from Neal and she got back her magic because of Neal and then Rumple goes and is OOC and we are forever denied Neal returning.
And he taught her how to pick locks. Without this, Emma would have been executed in the EF. He saved her life.
I don’t know what to say… A&E played the “carrot on a stick” thing with us. They showed that Neal COULD be brought back. It was an established possibility. Then they tossed it aside.
I’m not going to leave this thread, but…I don’t think I’ll keep watching this thing.
"Whatever spot you pick, that’s our home." #BelieveInTallahassee #HopeForRogueBison
Linked for language but this articulates perfectly how I feel about Emma right now: You ever have a friend that gets into a relationship that you just cannot support?
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