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I’m sharing Jared Gilmore’s tweet here about what Henry’s reaction would be if Hook and Emma dated:
\Again, I’m not saying Emma ought to be with Neal just because he’s Henry’s father. Yet, the fact that Emma says she’ll always choose Henry indicates she’s not willing to compromise Henry’s happiness either for the sake of some dalliance with Hook.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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This sums up the triangle for me. Emma has to cut through all the unresolved history with Neal, but Hook’s getting in her space, and it might cut him when Emma finally can unpack all her emotions and say what she really feels. Neal too.
It is a good point you make Phee that Hook has traded one obsession for another. I feel Hook will have to grow more before I get the feels to ship him with Tink at this point, but I think she might end up replacing BF.
It occurs to me also that Hook could have said “Thanks for not being mad” about many things, to avoid actually apologizing for those things like “Thanks for not being mad I stabbed your father.” “Thanks for not being mad I knew your fiance was playing you and didn’t tell you even though I then played up how we were friends to Emma in order to get closer to her.” or “Thanks for not being mad I helped a murderous witch come to the town where your son was, because I knew the witch wanted to gaslight his adopted mother into being evil again.” Ah…so many things he could have picked and we don’t even know some I’m sure, “Thanks for not being mad about the deals I’ve made with Pan.” Well we don’t know, I was hoping Hook played some role in freeing Bae but does not look so likely now.
I also agree the shifts in the character’s tones feels a bit sudden, almost like when we were playing that “story round” game last winter hiatus. Every pair of writers has slightly subtle takes but a bit too different for us over-analyzer types not to notice. I think the actors do their best to give continuity but there is only so much you can do.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
This sums up the triangle for me. Emma has to cut through all the unresolved history with Neal, but Hook’s getting in her space, and it might cut him when Emma finally can unpack all her emotions and say what she really feels. Neal too.
First, omg JMo almost took off poor Colin’s head!
Second, wow. Yeah that…is accurate.
Well we don’t know, I was hoping Hook played some role in freeing Bae but does not look so likely now.
Yes! After last nights episode I’m wondering if everyone was wrong about the CaptainFire history and Hook ever did anything to help Bae or if he was content to just let him be in NL. but then I go back to all of Colin’s interviews….*sigh*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I couldn’t take the CaptainFire fight seriously all I saw was MRJ and Colin two friends that held hands under the table and obsessed over Mythbusters together
I was quite impressed with Neal in this episode, which makes a change since so far in season 3, I’ve not really liked him much. Neal treated Emma like a person, Hook treated her as a prize to be won.
Yes, exactly! Hook realizes Emma is one heck of a woman, but he also sees her as a challenge. While challenges can be a good thing in a healthy, mutually loving relationship, Emma is under duress and struggling to keep it together while her son’s life hangs in the balance! It feels like Hook is being lecherous while Emma is vulnerable. Under normal circumstances, a man saying with confidence that he wants to win a lady’s heart might sound romantic, yet in Neverland it feels completely forced upon her when all Emma wants is to save her son’s life! Emma had just finished saying it was not a contest, and yet Hook persists in saying she must eventually choose. Her reply? The only thing she must choose is the best way to save her son! That is when Hook realizes he must change his tone by giving Emma assurances that she will save her son. Hook is playing a game and using Henry as the in-road to Emma’s feelings.
Yes, I get sense of objectification of Emma with Hook. And his behaviors says of course you would choose me, I’m Hook, I always get what I want and that includes you Emma. Sadly I realize that he is not there to save Henry like the others, (at one point thought he was doing what was right in Honor of Bae/Milha but not anymore) he is there to win the prize, to get the girl, to swoon Emma while she is at her weakest most vulnerable moment. If this is suppose to be true love and romance I can’t see it. The fact said I choose my friend to impress you not because I choose my friend because I care about him is just ugh. The fact that he says he you need to make a choice when clearly Henry is the one thing that her heart is set on says something.
I agree, it seems like Hook is not genuine in his concern over Henry, since when Emma says the only love she has room for is for her son, Hook’s reaction is one of jealousy, hurt, and indignation! That ought to send up a huge red flag! Any man who thinks a woman’s world ought to begin and end with him, especially while her child’s life is in jeopardy, ought to be kicked to the curb immediately! Hook is it for himself and his own interests, not Henry’s, not Neal’s, and really, not even Emma’s, since Emma’s interests lay with her kid.
A truly loving parent puts the well-being of a child first and foremost, as Emma is right to point out. That is especially true of a single mother, and any man who can’t respect that fact quickly can become a toxic hazard to the child in question. That is what happened with Hook and Milha. Hook is a man of the open seas, without responsibility to any man but himself, who has done as he liked without having to answer to a higher authority for a long time. Milha, who was tired of being saddled with the responsibility of motherhood, up and abandoned her child without question. What was Killian’s reaction to Milha leaving behind her son? I doubt he expressed any moral qualms about abandoning Bae since he got what he wanted out of it. Sure, Hook might have felt guilty about it later on, but at the time, he never turned around his ship to go back for Bae. Emma, however, is a different kind of woman, and Hook’s reaction to Emma’s choosing of Henry? He’s miffed! Run Emma! Run away fast! That kind of man is not worth keeping and is toxic.
Neal, on the other hand, has a real vested interest in Henry’s safety and well-being as his father. From the moment Neal found at he had a son, he stepped up to the plate to embrace fatherhood. Neal, who always wanted a family of his own, was so incredibly appreciate of the blessing of finding out he had a child with the woman he loves. His apology and admission to Emma about their son was so sincere, mature and loving!
“You’re right, about Henry. He is all that matters – and if he’s the only thing that came from us being together, then I say we did alright.”
Even if Neal were never to reconcile with Emma, he would daily count his blessings knowing something good, their son, came from their time together. Neal looks at Henry and thinks what a gift it is to know he helped create his beautiful son out of love with the woman he’ll always carry in his heart. Neal really loves his son and the mother of his child for all the right reasons. He would sacrifice is own life for them, as surely as Charming would lay down his life to save Snow and Emma.
Now, who may I ask, is the better candidate for Emma and Henry, who are a package deal? You can’t have the one without the other, and Emma realizes that her son is the most important person in her life. Emma would be wise to choose the man who loves not just her, but who loves her and her son collectively. That man is Henry’s father.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m not convinced that Hook is over Milah yet. He may be starting to see the possibility of a happy future without her and without the ongoing seeking of revenge, but he’s just barely starting ot see it. Emma feels like a rebound fling. Hook’s mindset is still on viewing relationships as winning competitions. Maybe part of his growth means he has to “lose” this competition. Emma is too world wise to fall for this outside of the immediate drama of needing to get Henry back.
I read people’s concerns that the Triange of Doom (love the phrase) will really get going after Henry is saved and the group leaves Neverland. Yet, once Henry is saved, he’s going to be around. He’ll still be Emma’s top priority. Since Henry has decided that Emma will be his custodial parent, he’ll frequently be nearby with his child needs, shelter, meals, regular routines including school and bedtimes. How does Hook fit into that? Is he really the kind of man who can come in second to a child on a daily basis? Can he be tied down to a domestic life? I don’t see that as a natural part of his personality.
Do either Neal or Hook know that Henry is Emma’s True Love (one of her true loves)? I could see that being disconcerting for Hook and amusing for Neal. I’d like to see discussions of Milah with regard to her choices and the opposite choices that Emma is making. Hook is watching a woman repeatedly choose her son. Neal is watching Emma be the mother to Henry that he wanted for himself.
I’m not sure that Neal will have too much trouble with Emma’s magic. He doesn’t like dark magic, but the kind of magic that saves an entire town probably won’t bother him. I think he’ll be pragmatic about it, but definitely support her making healthy magical choices as opposed to destructive ones.
As for the picture of Hook in the yellow bug, I wonder if the point is to demonstrate that he doesn’t quite fit in Emma’s life that way, a square peg/round hole situation.
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Hook’s line is being hailed as romantic by the marketing staff and various fans who think “see, he’s not trying to use tricks .”We cheer like he’s done something great? That ought to be the base line behavior that you do not deceive someone if you care about them, but worse is how people gloss over his implication that Emma’s heart is just a prize to be won in some contest–and we know he loves a challenge. Instead of “I am trying be the man I once was so you can love me as the man I want to be” (now that would be an AWWW) or something we get Hook with the full court press of “when I win your heart, and I will win it (you have no choice in it)” and “Fun begins”. He might as well start singing Blurred Lines to her or something.
As I said, Emma isn’t encouraging him, just because she’s not discouraging him outright. That kind of thinking is ridiculous, and beyond that, she actually has discouraged him outright before, but now again saying her focus is Henry. That doesn’t mean she’s choosing Neal, but for Emma, why can’t she have the freedom to sort her life out a little while? I cheered that Neal seems to understand that, and is hopefully not going to rush her.
He does have to walk the line of course of making sure she knows he loves her and wants to be with her, a mistake he made before, but at the same time, making sure she doesn’t feel trapped or overwhelmed. This whole idea that the “right” man will be the one to breach her defenses, wear her down until she has no will but to say she’s in love just doesn’t sit right with me.I wanted Emma to be the decision maker, to be the pursuer. This should be about what SHE wants more, as the main lead character. Please don’t turn her into a girl that the bad guy “gets” because he plays nice for a little while, with no true redemption or remorse for his previous bad acts.If that’s where the writers are going with this, then I don’t know. I’ll still enjoy the other characters and stories but I didn’t really love Lacey the way the writers did for Belle. I’m not enjoying this development for Emma.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Hook’s line is being hailed as romantic by the marketing staff and various fans who think “see, he’s not trying to use tricks
What was saving Charming if not some sort of trick? I mean, yes, he may have done it for noble reasons but at the end of Good Form, Hook did say, “I didn’t do it for you, mate.”
This whole idea that the “right” man will be the one to breach her defenses, wear her down until she has no will but to say she’s in love just doesn’t sit right with me.I wanted Emma to be the decision maker, to be the pursuer. This should be about what SHE wants more, as the main lead character.
it doesn’t sit right with me either. It’s actually a pretty horrible message.
Please don’t turn her into a girl that the bad guy “gets” because he plays nice for a little while, with no true redemption or remorse for his previous bad acts.If that’s where the writers are going with this, then I don’t know. I’ll still enjoy the other characters and stories but I didn’t really love Lacey the way the writers did for Belle. I’m not enjoying this development for Emma.
Agreed on all accounts.
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Hey everyone I’m Katie. I’m new here My friend Heather (I think you guys know her as HeatherC1275) pointed me in the direction of this forum as safe place to come and talk about my love for Once and of course Swanfire! So here I am!
I’m really looking forward to chatting with everyone and sharing views about the show. Welcome to the fun house! And welcome to the safe haven. All SFers are met with *hugs* and *cookies*
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