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Anyway I wonder if we tweet the ABC twitter whether the slogan versions of the Neal or Henry posters would ever be released from being held hostage? I seriously feel like it is “Believe it is too late” right now. I do not get why they could not approve any tagline
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I want that Neal poster so bad. Apparently the official account did a Team CS poster with Hook’s “when I win your heart…” line. But of course we’re lucky if they spell Neal’s name right.
This bums me out not only for shipping reasons jsut show reasons. Spoiler alert but Bae is Neal: you know… one of the driving reasons for the show with the whole curse thing? I’m sorry he doesn’t look as good in photos in leather and guyliner but he is Rumple’s son, Henry’s father, and the man Emma loves. I know money rules the world and marketing is all about getting the big companies to fork over their moneh but from a fan perspective….it sucks. just like with the press release for 308. Neal is clearly with Emma and Regina when they move the moon in the promo and clearly in the shots when everyone finds each other again. But oh no. Let’s leave him out altogether.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Back to the positive SF vibes! I saw a couple of Snowing/Swanfire parallels from 3×7 on Tumblr which I’ll share here.
Usually, I see mostly parallels between Snow and Neal, but lately I’m seeing a lot of similarities between Neal and Prince Charming! Both Prince Charming and Neal needed to believe in the power of love, and both struggled with fear getting in the way of their ability to see it. With Neal, it was fear of rejection. With David, it was fear of sentencing his wife to eternity in NL. Seems like not even Prince Charming himself is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, and yet, both Charming and Neal have good hearts.
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Again with the Neal/Charming parallels! Charming didn’t want to condemn Snow to a life with him if it meant being a prisoner on an inhospitable island. Charming would have preferred Snow to have returned home to SB with Emma, and perhaps even had a baby with someone else, rather than have to remain PP’s prisoner! That is a HUGE sacrifice that Charming was willing to make (albeit inconsiderate to Snow’s feelings). Likewise, Neal didn’t want to keep Emma from fulfilling her destiny and saving her parents from a dark curse. While this was very painful for Emma emotionally, this sacrifice enabled her to save her parents. Neal was a victim too in that he sacrificed his own desire for a family and a lifetime spent with Emma, the woman he loves, for the sake of getting her home. Both Charming and Neal were willing to let go of the women they loved for the sake of getting their women home. *crying*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Usually, I see mostly parallels between Snow and Neal, but lately I’m seeing a lot of similarities between Neal and Prince Charming! Both Prince Charming and Neal needed to believe in the power of love, and both struggled with fear getting in their ability to see it. With Neal, it was fear of rejection. With Hook, it was fear of sentencing his wife to living in NL. Seems like not even Prince Charming himself is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, and yet, both Charming and Neal have good hearts.
Again with the Neal/Charming parallels! Charming didn’t want to condemn Snow to a life with him if it meant being a prisoner on an inhospitable island. Charming would have preferred Snow to have returned home to SB with Emma, and perhaps even had a baby with someone else, rather than have to remain PP’s prisoner! That is a HUGE sacrifice that Charming was willing to make (albeit inconsiderate to Snow’s feelings). Likewise, Neal didn’t want to keep Emma from fulfilling her destiny and saving her parents from a dark curse. While this was very painful for Emma emotionally, this sacrifice enabled her to save her parents. Neal was a victim too in that he sacrificed his own desire for a family and a lifetime spent with Emma, the woman he loves, for the sake of getting her home. Both Charming and Neal were willing to let go of the women they loved for the sake of getting their women home. *crying*
*applause* *applause* *applause*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A word about Hook’s reform. I think I can say it here since this is our place. I was really bothered by how fast and the circumstances surrounding Hook’s sudden desire to become a pirate. Yes, your brother dying is incredibly sad and that will haunt you for all of time. But…Liam..was an idiot. I mean who on earth takes a plant they know nothing about and cuts themselves to prove a point?! Hiking 101, guys! His backstory, for me, wasn’t anywhere near as sad as Rumple’s or Regina’s. To me it was more like Cora. Cora has a tragic upbringing but she let one incident define her future. This is why I had such a problem with 305. Rumple suffered years of mental abuse for his entire life. Regina suffered mental abuse and physical abuse from Cora and then had her lovers heart ripped out. Hook had what was a good life, despite being left by his father. He had an older brother who loved him and looked out for him and made sure he grew up right. And I’m not trying to diminish Hook’s loss by any means but becoming a pirate seemed like such a leap! (ok ok ok Im done) But I’m not a Hook expert, maybe Phee will shed some light for me.
At the moment I’m into the idea of him having an obsessive personality, and that’s what they’re trying to show. Sailor Killian was tossing bottles of rum away, but you’d better believe that he got blind drunk that night after his pirate speech, and he never looked back, replacing his obsessive good form with obsessive bad form, but trying to convince himself that his new behaviour was just a redefinition of good form. And he’s been convincing himself of it ever since, and boyfriend has an ego now, so admitting that his attitude is wrong wouldn’t be an easy thing for him to do.
Maybe that’s playing on his mind in relation to Neal. What I’d been hoping for was that Hook would take Bae’s declaration that, “You’ll never change,” as a challenge to prove him wrong in present day. He started down that path when he turned the ship around and took the bean back, and offered them a ride to NL, and helped guide them around the place. He was helping others instead of just thinking of himself, he was changing, he was proving Bae wrong. Until he saved Charming’s life with the ulterior motive of getting a kiss from Emma. And he’d been doing so well up until that point. *sigh* Maybe his ego still has too much of a hold on him. Maybe he’s been a womaniser for so long that he just couldn’t resist the challenge. I do think that he legitimately wasn’t prepared for how that kiss affected him. He was playing his usual, flirty game, and he got burned…for the first time ever…because every other time he’s played the flirting game, he’s been in total control.
I hope he gets another centric at some point to flesh out his childhood. Seeing the brothers lose their parents would no doubt go a fair way to garnering some more sympathy for and understanding. I’ve seen some discussion around the place that perhaps he’s got an Oedipus Complex, which is why he enjoyed taking other men’s wives, many of whom were most likely mothers, and then he sailed off with Bae’s mother, and now he’s hitting on Emma, who is also a mother, in fact she’s in full on motivated mother mode right now, so if Hook’s got Oedipus issues, it would make sense for him to be all hot and bothered over seeing her like that. If NL makes you revert to your base self, and if his issues began as a child when he lost his mother, and NL is forcing that little lonely boy emotion to the surface, then Oedipus issues would be in overdrive. We’ve had other references to Greek myth this season, one of them even exclusively related to Hook’s backstory with Pegasus, so maybe the Oedipus thing isn’t that much of a stretch. We’d really need to see a flashback to his childhood to know for sure though, so this is all just speculation.
Getting back to Killian’s drastic reaction after losing his brother, I’ve wondered if they showed such a close bond between them, so much so that losing his brother instantly destroyed him, as setup for showing us a contrasting relationship between Rumple and his brother Pan. But we dunno for sure yet that they’re gonna turn out to be brothers, so again, it’s just speculation.
At the moment I’m into the idea of him having an obsessive personality, and that’s what they’re trying to show. Sailor Killian was tossing bottles of rum away, but you’d better believe that he got blind drunk that night after his pirate speech, and he never looked back, replacing his obsessive good form with obsessive bad form, but trying to convince himself that his new behaviour was just a redefinition of good form. And he’s been convincing himself of it ever since, and boyfriend has an ego now, so admitting that his attitude is wrong wouldn’t be an easy thing for him to do.
I totally see that now that you’ve pointed it out. This is the guy who couldn’t let go of the memory of Milha for 250 years and was consumed by revenge every waking moment. Can you imagine having that mental life? No wonder he was semi-suicidal in S2 jumping in front of a moving car and taunting Rumple to kills him. Hook basically wanted to be put out of his misery because his own obsession with loss and revenge consumed him. Now it’s like that need for revenge has been supplanted by a need to win the girl. That type of man doesn’t need a new girlfriend right now though. He needs to see a shrink, just as surly as Regina did/does. At least Rumple had imaginary Belle to talk to. Oh wait, never mind, that was Pan’s shadow….
Anyway, back to Hook and NL, he just strikes me as being a very unhealthy, toxic sort of personality. I know he’s “supposed” to be an anti-hero, so he’s permitted to have character flaws. Everyone on this show does to varying degrees. Yet, the reason I am not rooting for Hook to be Emma’s love is because I don’t even think Hook loves himself. Even though he only thinks mostly of himself, I think he is sad at the man he’s become. I still hope that deep down, Hook does not want to be just a pirate. What he wants really is to be a man of honor. Yet, he’s fooling himself if he tells himself it’s good form to vie for the woman whom your good friend and son-figure, Neal, loves. It’s just such a contrast to Snow White, who ate a poisoned apple so no more of her loved ones would die, or Ariel, who turned down Regina’s deal to keep her legs in order to save her friend, Snow. Alice used up one of her wishes, thereby risking her future with Cyrus, for the sake of her friend, Will. All three of those women have what I call good form for putting their friends even ahead of their own desires.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
It took me a while to get through all these pages and everyone’s posts but I wanted to say that I agree with you all and you all are so smart and insightful! 🙂
The thing that struck me about Hook’s speech to Emma, besides being so forceful and oh so “wrong place – wrong time” (um, we’re here for Henry not the dating game) was that he had to mention that he wasn’t using trickery. I find that interesting, because usually if you aren’t using trickery you don’t really have to say it because it’s not on your mind. The fact that he specifically mentions trickery makes me wonder if he has in fact used trickery to impress Emma. I’ve heard his speech being so romantic and oh so sincere and honest. I actually was cringing the whole time and wondering if it would ever end. But what else bothered me was Emma’s reaction. I can’t believe that she would be so into it, to the point that I was starting to wonder if she wasn’t playing Hook. I mean she said it wasn’t a contest but she said it kind of breathy and I don’t know… it was weird and almost OOC for me. I didn’t like it. I didn’t like the whole scene. It felt uneasy and insincere to her character. I just don’t believe that even if Emma really did have feelings for Hook that she would have acted in that way when all she was thinking about was Henry. Maybe I just need to re-watch that scene again but it was strange.
I really want Emma to see Neal’s reaction when he finds out that Wendy is on the island as a prisoner. I really do hope they show how broken up he is about it. I really need this and so does Emma. You better not disappoint me again writers!
When will this triangle end!?! I’m really getting sick of it. I just want to focus on Henry at this point.
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."Another SF vid coming at you:
Neal & Emma [3×03] – Shouldn’t be a good in goodby
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Thanks Slurpeez for the vid! It was great!
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."was that he had to mention that he wasn’t using trickery. I find that interesting, because usually if you aren’t using trickery you don’t really have to say it because it’s not on your mind.
I was thinking about this before I went to bed last night but it was trickery of a sort. He is saying, Emma you have a choice. But he is also saying this choice already has a forgone conclusion, ie: you’ll give me your heart. Is it really a choice if you’ve told the person to whom you are giving it what the endgame will be? Then they don’t really have a choice. It was very NL mind game trickery
But what else bothered me was Emma’s reaction. I can’t believe that she would be so into it, to the point that I was starting to wonder if she wasn’t playing Hook. I mean she said it wasn’t a contest but she said it kind of breathy and I don’t know
I think Emma was affected by it more than the Emma we used to know would be. I’m blaming NL and the all the thousands of stresses.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The things is the way Emma interact with Hook, she didn’t interact that way with Neal, Graham, or August (her potential suitors), she had her same spunky sassy completely in control personality. I mean even with her walls up with both Graham and August her personality has been pretty much the same for all three men. She seem happy and joyful with them. However with Hook on Neverland, she makes me think of how she was with Hatter in complete survival mood (save MM, save Henry, escape, escape). And I shipped MadSwan for all the wrong reason they were sexy and wacky together work out beautiful in my head canon only. But I knew it will never work out on screen, he assaulted & threaten both her and her mother and I’m not sure that should be conveyed as romance to family audience. So it actual surprise me that they went with Captain Swan. I always thought it would be some sort of ship teasing but nothing serious or hardcore because of the nature of Hook’s character and his treatment of Emma & her family.
But I never knew they were going anywhere with Swanfire either, I never hated them together, I just thought how really cute they were in Talahasse and how much they were in love, and it was sad they had to be broken up. I always got love vibs from Neal, Graham, and August (But he was more sibling love to me). Hatter, Hook, and Regina made me think of lust but never love. I always thought Emma happy ending would just be Henry and her family, that she would never have a clear suitor who wins out but her options for love would always be open for later in life. (Even the writers said they at one point they wanted multiple suitors for Emma) That we fans would be left with gift of creating our own romantic fairytale happy ending for Emma in fan fiction. But then we got the love triangle, which was to my surprise.
sidenote: I heard a rumor that the love triangle was suppose to be August and Neal originally, not Hook. Hook came later after Eion left the show for another opportunity. Which makes me wonder that if they always intended for Neal to be the one for Emma, that the other guy was easily replaceable????
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
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