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sidenote: I heard a rumor that the love triangle was suppose to be August and Neal originally, not Hook. Hook came later after Eion left the show for another opportunity. Which makes me wonder that if they always intended for Neal to be the one for Emma, that the other guy was easily replaceable????
Interesting rumor. Never heard that one before. But then again, there are so many rumors when it comes to Eion Bailey that I try to not give them too much credence.
What we do know is that A and E planned for Baelfire from the start. They told both JMo and Bobby about Bae and he was always going to be a big part of the show (naturally, the entire curse was to find him). They brought on MRJ specifically for the part and the role of Hook was originally only supposed to be a reoccurring guest role but then they got Colin and liked what they saw (probably do in no small part to the chemistry between him and JMo) and so they decided to keep him around longer. I think they may have decided to change directions after they saw Hook and Emma and really play up the idea of a love triangle with Hook and Neal only it’s beginning to wear on everyone now.
EDIT (a word about chemistry)
In the end that’s all subjective and just because Emma does have a boatload of chemistry with Hook doesn’t mean anything. To me CS is a firework: it’s loud and hot and it blinds you at first. But then it’s gone and there is nothing to remember it by except a memory. SF is a long burning fire with someone continually stoking the flames. 11 years and it hasn’t died out. Looking back at S1, it was a total SF stoking the fire game with how much Henry reminds us of Neal and how much Emma STAYED even though it hurt. Only that fire is going to keep you warm at night.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was thinking about this before I went to bed last night but it was trickery of a sort. He is saying, Emma you have a choice. But he is also saying this choice already has a forgone conclusion, ie: you’ll give me your heart. Is it really a choice if you’ve told the person to whom you are giving it what the endgame will be? Then they don’t really have a choice. It was very NL mind game trickery
That is a very good point. Love is a gift freely given, not a demand met or an expectation fulfilled. I scoff at the idea that CS is all about choice. It’s not! Hook coerced his first kiss out of Emma. True, she was free to back down, but I think Emma went in for that kiss in a way to shut up Hook’s bravado, but of course, it only enhanced his pursuit. Hook used emotional blackmail to get what he wanted. To me that just reeked of manipulation.
I think Emma was affected by it more than the Emma we used to know would be. I’m blaming NL and the all the thousands of stresses.
Exactly, it feels like Hook is taking advantage of Emma’s emotional turbulence: their first kiss came under the worst kind of expectations from Hook, when she’d already lost her son, Neal and then almost her father. It really turns me off that Hook expected any sort of “show of gratitude” for doing a “selfless” thing of saving Charming’s life. Emma’s words of thanks ought to have been enough. It just feels like Hook, who knows all about NL as PP’s former employee, is playing games with Emma’s head in order to work his way under her otherwise tough skin. He’s trying to make inroads into her heart, but not in a straightforward, truly gentlemanly fashion.
What gives me hope that CS is not going to last is the writers could have made Emma wait until she got back to SB, when the mission to Henry has been accomplished, for her to give into Hook’s pursuit. Yet, the writers intentionally chose for Emma and Hook’s first kiss to be in NL, the heart of darkness, where Emma is at her weakest we’ve ever seen her. The fact that NL makes Emma feel like an orphan, the fact that she’s emotionally stressed while Henry’s life is hanging in the balance, the fact that Emma was reeling over the “death” of Neal, all made her vulnerable to Hook’s incessant attempts to get her to notice him. Again with his obsessive personality. The man really can’t take no for an answer and keeps trying to wear the girl down when she’s trying to save her kid’s life. Hook is really only joining in on the mission, not because gives an iota about Henry, but because he wants Emma to like him. It’s the same reason that Hook told Emma’s parents about Neal, to get Emma to see him as not using “trickery;” yet the whole thing is a trick to get Emma to like him. It’s all about Hook still.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
sidenote: I heard a rumor that the love triangle was suppose to be August and Neal originally, not Hook. Hook came later after Eion left the show for another opportunity. Which makes me wonder that if they always intended for Neal to be the one for Emma, that the other guy was easily replaceable????
I’ve read that rumor before and I think there could be something to it. We know that Pinocchio was planned from the beginning to play a large role in Emma’s story. August and Emma went on a “date” to drink the well water of SB. Neal asked August to take care of Emma since he couldn’t be there for her. There was a pretty large following of Wooden Swan shippers out there. Despite what CS fans like to claim, Captain Hook, by contrast, was not in the cards until the writers had acquired the rights to PP, which was leading into S2.
What we do know is that A and E planned for Baelfire from the start. They told both JMo and Bobby about Bae and he was always going to be a big part of the show (naturally, the entire curse was to find him).
Precisely, Adam Horowitz confirmed they always intended for the savior of the curse to fall in love with the reason for the curse. It’s poetry; it’s the stuff that dreams are made of and the making of fairytale legends. Swanfire had been planned from the very beginning. I have faith that Adam and Eddy will be true to their vision; even if Neal and Emma have to struggle through years of trial to be together, the payoff will be that much sweeter and all the more rewarding when they do find their way back to one another, emotionally and not just physically. Love is a journey, not a destination.
At the end of the day, it’s not about how attractive two people look together or how much smolder a kiss can generate in the heat of the moment. It’s about making a commitment to another person, to building a home together, and about lasting love. With over 10 years in the making, SF has already been tested in that regard. Its foundation is still in tact; all that remains to be done is to rebuild after the hurricane of the dark curse tried to tear them apart. Yet, the kind of love that Emma and Neal share is the kind that can weather even the strongest storm, the kind that brings forth life and gives birth to the truest believer.
I read another quotation on Tumblr that supposedly comes from Edward Kitsis, though I cannot find the original source online.
Eddy Kitsis: “When you have a love like Emma and Neal, you choose love.”
I wrote the person who posted it, who said it came from a magazine from summer 2013 but couldn’t exactly remember which one. Can anyone here verify it? If it’s authentic, then that would make me even more certain where SF stands.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I have faith that Adam and Eddy will be true to their vision; even if Neal and Emma have to struggle through years of trial to be together, the payoff will be that much sweeter and all the more rewarding when they do find their way back to one another, emotionally and not just physically. Love is a journey, not a destination
Beautifully put! And I agree. (I also think Hook’s whole, “that’s when the real fun begins…” line is basically the writers cackling and saying, “not even close to being over!”)
I wrote the person who posted it, who said it came from a magazine from summer 2013 but couldn’t exactly remember which one. Can anyone here verify it? If it’s authentic, then that would make me even more certain where SF stands.
Hmmm. I can’t verify. Maybe someone else can.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Some more lovely GIFs to grace our beloved SF safe-haven. From Tumblr:
And what has Emma always been searching for? A home. Tallahassee, baby.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
GAH. The look Neal gives her and the look she gives him in return. All their history and they are still comfortable with each other and still love each other. <3
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hmm, I just reread that wonderful MRJ interview that OUAFan did near the end of last season and something that was said in it kind of applies to the show right now and pardon me that I haven’t figured out how to quote yet so I’m just copying and pasting the part into a new paragraph. Someday I’ll figure this board out, LOL 😆
Diane: Do you think Neal seeing Rumpel be so vulnerable with Belle, and then also August being willing to sacrifice himself before he dies—did those events change or shift your character at all? To decide to be more vulnerable? Or has that always been a vein in Neil?
Michael Raymond-James: I think that’s always been a vein in his character. Those sorts of moments can inspire a sleeping giant inside people. They allow for something that’s always been there, but has long since been put away in a box for the purpose of self-preservation. The capacity that people have to endure is amazing. But sometimes one must come up with coping mechanisms, and that certainly could be one of Neal’s. But when you see these moments of sacrifice or human tenderness or kindness, it inspires those aspects of ourselves to wake up a little bit.
Pardon me while I ramble now but I think Neal was completely in that preservation mode when we met him in Manhattan and while wonderful bits of that vulnerability are starting to come out, I fear he may start reverting back into that self preservation mode that he was in for so many years while dealing with this whole Emma-Hook thing, Henry’s kidnapping, and also with his father. He seems to all ready be doing that now and shifting his focus onto Henry (which makes sense since that should be priority #1 for everyone right now) and IMO, I think that mode is probably part of the reason he and Emma fell in love in the first place. They both do that (those walls go up fast) because of their lonely and hard lives and while they didn’t really know everything about each other’s pasts (obviously Neal wasn’t going to tell Emma about FT land and Emma didn’t even know her true past at that point), I imagine that each of them sharing bits of their pain was a powerful thing for the other and helped cement this bond that they still have with each other. They were probably each other’s first real friend and with all the little glances and nuances that we keep seeing now, it’s becoming painfully obvious to me that these two people need to sit and TALK again. She really needs to hear his side of the story about his father, his time in Neverland, Hook turning him over to PP, the Darlings (hoping we get some of that this weekend), and where he’s been in the years since he left her. My fear is that we’re never going to get that sort of thing while they keep ramping up all the action stuff and we won’t get that wonderful story between these two lost kids. JMo and MRJ have proven they can handle all that emotional stuff without a lot of action around them (hello Manhattan…my favorite episode of the entire series) so I’m trying to hold onto hope that this stuff is still coming because if they gloss over it, I am going to be one unhappy camper. I still believe in SwanFire, I’m going down with this ship too, but it’s the little moments in between that I feel like they’re missing and that’s getting annoying for me.
I have NO CLUE if anything I just wrote makes sense (you guys are way better this than me, LOL) but I’m bored at work and felt like rambling so there you go. That whole interview is all kinds of awesome BTW if you haven’t read it in a while. I love MRJ more and more every single day! 😀
#MoreBOOMLessGloomThey were probably each other’s first real friend and with all the little glances and nuances that we keep seeing now, it’s becoming painfully obvious to me that these two people need to sit and TALK again
YES
She really needs to hear his side of the story about his father, his time in Neverland, Hook turning him over to PP, the Darlings (hoping we get some of that this weekend), and where he’s been in the years since he left her.
YES
I still believe in SwanFire, I’m going down with this ship too, but it’s the little moments in between that I feel like they’re missing and that’s getting annoying for me.
Yeah, there needs to be a lot of “break from action” and “let’s talk it out” in the second half of the season if not before the hiatus.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Pardon me while I ramble now but I think Neal was completely in that preservation mode when we met him in Manhattan and while wonderful bits of that vulnerability are starting to come out, I fear he may start reverting back into that self preservation mode that he was in for so many years while dealing with this whole Emma-Hook thing, Henry’s kidnapping, and also with his father. He seems to all ready be doing that now and shifting his focus onto Henry (which makes sense since that should be priority #1 for everyone right now) and IMO, I think that mode is probably part of the reason he and Emma fell in love in the first place.
While I think Neal was certainly in self-preservation mode leading up to “Manhattan” I think that he is a new man with a mission now: to get his son and Emma home. Then, once their son is safe, Neal and Emma can start to unpack their misconceptions about their past and to rebuild trust. The reason he’s saying to Emma that she’s right to focus on Henry is because he is their son and loving parents should put their children first. Neal knows better than to force anything on Emma (as Hook has done), and he apologized for fighting about the lighter, which oh by the way, was really Hook egging him on. So, I’m not concerned that Neal is just settling back into his old, passive self-preservation mode. If anything, he is stepping up to the plate of being there for Henry, and by consequence, for Emma. He is going to prove he’s a strong presence without having to force anything with Emma, because that would only alienate her, as we saw Hook’s attempts to make her choose backfire majorly. Neal is a smart man not to stoop to Hook’s tactics. Yes, Neal will continue to fight for Emma, but not with words, but by his actions. He loves her and he isn’t going to make the same mistake twice of taking the easy way out. He’s here to stay, if only for Henry’s sake, but really also for Emma’s sake. She said in 2×21 she needs him, and Neal said in 3×3 that he needs her. They’re stronger together than they are apart.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Then, once their son is safe, can Neal and Emma start to unpack their misconceptions about the past and to rebuild trust
This needs to happen. That was supposed to be one of the big individual arcs of NL, that Emma must confront her past and realize that she doesn’t know the entire story of her life. That there have been things happening outside of her vision and knowledge that really need to be told to her.
he apologized for fighting about the lighter, which oh by the way, was really Hook egging him on.
Hook really was. It was disgusting display of macho manliness. “I must provide for female by lighting that fire and showing her that I am capable of doing these things!” Ugh.
He loves her and he isn’t going to make the same mistake twice of taking the easy way out. He’s here to stay, if only for Henry’s sake, but really also for Emma’s sake. She said in 2×21 she needs him, and Neal said in 3×3 that he needs her. They’re stronger together than they are apart.
Yes.
And for the Nealfire fans out there
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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