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November 12, 2013 at 12:46 pm #223199
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ParticipantI found this article, but it is from earlier in Season 1. So they do not specifically reference Neal.
http://theinsider.etonline.com/tv/51555_Eion_Bailey_Talks_August_on_Once_Upon_A_Time/index.html
However it is rather odd when you read through it and think about where things DID go with his character arc. He did not know at the start he was Pinocchio. He was asked to read Bonnie and Clyde to audition, to set the tone for his banter with Emma. Seems like they were possibly looking for him to be a “suitor”.
What I want more than anything romantic is that the truth about why Neal left. Despite the chorus of people who say it does not matter one way or the other, I think it does to Emma, but more it matters to his nature, brave or coward.
The same with the history of Bae and Hook. 300 years ago in the story or not, those events were played out on screen for a reason and just as relevant to Hook and Neal as other backstory. Are we supposed to dismiss Hook’s past as a man of honor? CS fans do not think so yet they say forget Milah and forget Bae. If these events are addressed on screen, then we can see Emma react to them rather than fans assumptions of how she might feel, get her reaction on the quality of the characters of Hook and Neal.
I think these facts affect how I view the characters, so to me, I think it is possible the writers included them for some purpose other than screen filler, but it would not be the first seed they planted but did not sprout. It reminds me of when we never saw Neal’s reaction to the fact that Henry had been placed for adoption, or that it was the Evil Queen who got him. They backtracked with Regina’s reaction to Neal, but that means we had a scene at the well where Regina must have been “And what’s Gold’s son doing here?” because apparently, unlike Rumple, she doesn’t do the math immediately. (I tried to find Rumple’s reaction in Manhattan as a gif, because he totally has this small smile as if to say “That’s my boy, romancing the princess, all right!”).
There are still some plot elements to play out. We don’t know if Neal kept the swan key chain and he has yet to try to return it to Emma, and she has yet to turn him down. There are things she doesn’t know, about Hook and about Neal, and I think it’s mostly positives about Neal and negatives about Hook.
It’s important to remember too that so many people knocked Neal and Emma for “being obvious”–well everything that is happening now should make it hard for people to claim that still. Not when they’re the ones thinking “victory”? (Now I’m ok with people celebrating what makes them happy, so long as it doesn’t flow into celebrating that others are unhappy in a Regina S1 way. )
If SF isn’t the story, then it isn’t but what does make me a bit sad now though is the writing because I used to have faith that regardless of which love story, they would do the work of showing us why it makes sense by addressing the history. They are doing that for SF but slowly so maybe the crash and burn is going to happen with CS.
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November 12, 2013 at 1:02 pm #223203Slurpeez
ParticipantPosting this excellently made SF video because it’s just that good:
Neal and Emma – A Thousand Years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDs1ek7OpDU#t=98
Lovely SF pics from Tumblr:

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 12, 2013 at 1:31 pm #223206RumplesGirl
KeymasterWhat I want more than anything romantic is that the truth about why Neal left. Despite the chorus of people who say it does not matter one way or the other, I think it does to Emma, but more it matters to his nature, brave or coward. The same with the history of Bae and Hook. 300 years ago in the story or not, those events were played out on screen for a reason and just as relevant to Hook and Neal as other backstory. Are we supposed to dismiss Hook’s past as a man of honor? CS fans do not think so yet they say forget Milah and forget Bae. If these events are addressed on screen, then we can see Emma react to them rather than fans assumptions of how she might feel, get her reaction on the quality of the characters of Hook and Neal.
Yes I agree. Even if Emma doesn’t really *care* about the Hook/Neal history (and she may not) she needs to know if for knowing alone. Either way this isn’t a typical love story but you can’t go in without all the information.
There are still some plot elements to play out. We don’t know if Neal kept the swan key chain and he has yet to try to return it to Emma, and she has yet to turn him down. There are things she doesn’t know, about Hook and about Neal, and I think it’s mostly positives about Neal and negatives about Hook.
I think that might be a good bet. We still don’t know what Hook was doing for PP, but PP called it “his dirty work.” And then there is whole, “I gave a young boy to the lost ones,…sorta like how your son was kidnapped in a similar fashion. After I had promised him a family.” But Neal’s other story is “I saved a young boy from the shadow we have in our coconut because they took me in and loved me and it was the least I could do”
Lovely video and pics, Slurpeez.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm #223209Slurpeez
ParticipantThere are still some plot elements to play out. We don’t know if Neal kept the swan key chain and he has yet to try to return it to Emma, and she has yet to turn him down. There are things she doesn’t know, about Hook and about Neal, and I think it’s mostly positives about Neal and negatives about Hook.
I firmly believe that Hook was introduced not just as a suitor for Emma Swan, but also as the lover of Milha, Rumple’s wife and Bael’s mother, for a distinct reason. What kind of a father figure was/is Hook to Bae? Not a very good one from what we’ve seen. As Milha’s lover, Hook didn’t seem to care too much that she would be leaving a small boy motherless, even though Hook himself knows what it feels like to be abandoned by his dad. Also, even if Hook was in theory willing to be a family to Bae and says he would have fought for him, he didn’t. I was re-reading an older interview from last year in which Edward Kitsis had this to say about the kind of father figure that Hook would make to Henry:
Kitsis once again tackles the subject of Emma’s suitors saying, “I think what’s interesting is the love of Emma’s life last year was Henry and this year we actually met the one person that she has fallen in love with [Neal]. Hook is obviously eye candy. I don’t know if she would stare at him and think he would be a great father to Henry but he might be fun in Vegas.”
I think that Adam and Eddy were setting up this conflict for a distinct reason: Hook was not a good father figure to Bae so that would give Emma serious pause in considering Hook as a potential father-figure to her son. And as Emma said in 3×7, she’ll always choose Henry. A lot of CS fans like to say that Henry is not a very important calculus in Emma’s decision in who she should choose, but Emma just made Henry THE criterion. Henry’s dad will always put his son’s best interests first. Hook, on the other hand, probably would have to do a major shift in priorities if he were ever to be a serious contender in Emma’s eyes. Single mothers are not at liberty to just do whatever fancy comes upon them; they must think of their kids. I think Emma regrets that kiss between her and Hook now because she realizes it was just a diversion from finding Henry.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 12, 2013 at 1:43 pm #223212Slurpeez
ParticipantI think that might be a good bet. We still don’t know what Hook was doing for PP, but PP called it “his dirty work.” And then there is whole, “I gave a young boy to the lost ones,…sorta like how your son was kidnapped in a similar fashion. After I had promised him a family.” But Neal’s other story is “I saved a young boy from the shadow we have in our coconut because they took me in and loved me and it was the least I could do”
I know a lot of people don’t want to consider this theory, but what if the “dirty work” that Pan had Hook do was capturing the Darling children? This would put a very stark divide between Hook and Neal since Bae tried so hard to save them.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 12, 2013 at 1:53 pm #223217RumplesGirl
KeymasterKitsis once again tackles the subject of Emma’s suitors saying, “I think what’s interesting is the love of Emma’s life last year was Henry and this year we actually met the one person that she has fallen in love with [Neal]. Hook is obviously eye candy. I don’t know if she would stare at him and think he would be a great father to Henry but he might be fun in Vegas.”
And this is wear I am having some issues. If this is something Eddy said then the current season feels like a giant disconnect from this idea. As if it’s all fan service. SF could work through their issues without needing a freaking triangle is Eddy and Adam are already in this mindset.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm #223225Slurpeez
ParticipantThe 3×8 promos show Neal, Emma and Rumple leading a rescue mission to save Wendy! 😀 Emma is there to see how much Neal loves Wendy as a sister-figure and to hear from Wendy’s lips how he sacrificed himself for her family. Emma is getting to see Neal in a whole new light as a selfless individual who would do anything for the people he loves.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm #223226RumplesGirl
Keymaster308 is already better than 307. Emma is going to see that Neal sacrificed himself for his family. Just like he did in Tallahassee. He put others first because that is the kind of man he is. Gimme this episode and gimme this episode now
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 12, 2013 at 2:06 pm #223227Slurpeez
ParticipantRumplesGirl wrote: 308 is already better than 307. Emma is going to see that Neal sacrificed himself for his family. Just like he did in Tallahassee. He put others first because that is the kind of man he is. Gimme this episode and gimme this episode now
Yes, and not only did Neal sacrifice himself for the Darlings but he did it again in 2×21 when he sacrificed himself so Henry wouldn’t have to be alone and to let Emma be with their child. This is just another example of what a true man of honor Nealfire really is!
ETA: Here is an excellent Nealfire video of this theme of love being sacrifice. Neal is a true hero.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm #223229PriceofMagic
ParticipantI liked 307, it’s the episode where I actually started shipping SwanFire this season.
I asked a question in the CS thread, and I’m interested to see what the answer will be.
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