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November 13, 2013 at 3:40 pm #223568
Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantI’m glad I’m not the only who didn’t approve of Hook’s reaction to Emma’s I choose Henry. He was clearly upset that she said I choose Henry. Unless the writers have him come back later and say you right Henry comes first. I shouldn’t have distracted you from your quest. I’m sticking to that perception.
[adrotate group="5"]"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
November 13, 2013 at 4:23 pm #223574MsKt86
ParticipantAfter seeing Hook’s reaction to Emma choosing Henry, I don’t understand how we are lead to believe Emma could view him as a viable partner/father figure to her son. Also his past actions with Bae doesn’t help his case, he hand him over to the lost boys for rejecting him, how would he react if Henry was to do the same?
I have read a few posts where fans have said Henry won’t be a factor on who Emma decides to be with, of course Henry will matter. Emma will always put her son first and rightly so. Hook’s behavior and actions in the last episode should be clear warning signs for Emma.
"The little guy saved us." - Neal Cassidy
November 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm #223575RumplesGirl
KeymasterI have read a few posts where fans have said Henry won’t be a factor on who Emma decides to be with, of course Henry will matter. Emma will always put her son first and rightly so. Hook’s behavior and actions in the last episode should be clear warning signs for Emma.
One of the things I see/hear most often in regards to SwanFire from other ships is that we only want Neal and Emma together because of Henry. As if that is the only legit reason for shippping them. Obviously for us there is more. I don’t want them together JUST because of Henry–I think families come in all shapes and sizes and Henry was never going to be a kid with a normal family anyway (whatever normal means). But while it’s not the only reason we want SF together, it is something to take into consideration. Henry is *absolutely* a factor in Emma’s decision. She’s a single mom when you get right down to it. And you put your kids first which was exactly what Emma said in 307. She has to consider not only what is best for her but for her child. I know we have some parents who ship SF, so maybe they’ll back me up (as I am not a parent) but when it comes to your life, your children factor in. It would be a huge misstep in Emma’s character if she didn’t factor Henry into her decisions because, like JMo has said, at the end of the day, Henry is really her true love.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm #223579Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantI just hope the fandom doesn’t turn on Jared/Henry we he doesn’t approve of CS if was to occur or if he thought it might occur. But Henry is clear he want his parents together and even helped Mom to proved Dad’s fake fiancé was evil! LOL
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
November 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm #223582Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantI just wished they allowed Swanfire to play out without the love triangle. They had some very sweet and tender moments in S2. Putting Henry to bed, saving Rumple from Cora, The Dinner. Those moments are seared in memory. They just flow together and you can see them growing old together and still having that same sass as if they were young! If the writers intend on making Neal and Emma be each others true love. It would be nice to watch them start to rebuild their relationship in Neverland by working together to save Henry. Even if they were not meant to be it would have been nice to watch them play out on screen and discovered that they are better off as best friends and co parents of Henry.
Deep down I think the writers always intended for Neal and Emma to be each other true love but I don’t like saying I’m certain about this. And my fear is the writers will change it, because S2 I was quite certain they were going the direction of Swanfire. I mean they started the season with Nealfire walking down the street getting a post card saying Broken. Just like in S1 we had our introduction of Emma who is sassy bond’s lady taking down a criminal. S1 ended with her providing her son, Henry with true loves kiss. And S2 ended with them screaming I love you(s) to each other? Even in the S3 pre-show we had A &E talk about Emma’s and Neal’s love for each other and how they are free to love each other openly again? They didn’t mention Captain Swan once in the preshow. And then the Love triangle just came about over the summer?
I mean If they didn’t want Emma and Neal together I see no point of having Neal proclaiming his enduring love for Emma. Or hype up their enduring feelings for each other after 11 years over S2. Also Hook/Colin was suppose not go past Season 3. So I don’t see why Captain Swan was always planned for endgame if his contract was suppose to be up in Season 3?? Unlike the others cast members. It seems like this story is about Emma, Henry, Nealfire, Rumple, Regina, Snow, and Charming. I don’t see how Hook really factors into that storyline no more than a rival turn sometimes ally? Also its silly but Hook is well know character, I can’t see them linking Emma to a well know story book character as her true love. I think the fact that Neal, Emma and Henry are original creations means something. I don’t know I guess I’m rambling now. LOL
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
November 13, 2013 at 6:28 pm #223590Slurpeez
ParticipantHenry is *absolutely* a factor in Emma’s decision. She’s a single mom when you get right down to it. And you put your kids first which was exactly what Emma said in 307. She has to consider not only what is best for her but for her child. I know we have some parents who ship SF, so maybe they’ll back me up (as I am not a parent) but when it comes to your life, your children factor in. It would be a huge misstep in Emma’s character if she didn’t factor Henry into her decisions because, like JMo has said, at the end of the day, Henry is really her true love.
Precisely, and not only is Henry the only love Emma has room for in her life, but he’s also the single most important thing Neal has. In 3×3, Neal said the only thing he has are his boy and Emma. Neal is focused on saving his kid first and foremost which is why he tried first in 3×4 to save Henry, and he nearly did, rather than try to reunited with Emma first. MRJ has confirmed that Henry is who gives Neal a purpose in life, where as before he lacked direction. Having a son gives Neal’s life new meaning, as surely as it does Emma’s. In an interview, MRJ said,
How has Neal finding out that Henry is his son affected him?
Raymond-James: Neal was a bit of a rudderless ship for a long time and the thing he coveted was family. It’s sort of like getting to the goal line, they move it another 100 yards. When he finds out he has a son, that immediately gives him a purpose that he was always looking for. It’s an opportunity for him to be the kind of father he always wanted. It had a huge impact on Neal and this is something that he doesn’t want to screw up. He so badly wants to be good at this, at being a father. He’s going to proceed cautiously with Henry’s best interest at heart. His single biggest motivation is his son.The most important person in Neal’s life is his son, and he truly sees having a son with the woman he loves as the best thing in his life. Neal, who always wanted a family, has found one with his son, his boy, the one he’d do anything for, despite being new at it. Emma and Neal share a bond as parents, a love for a child who was born from their love. The only other person who really gets that is Regina, because she raised Henry from infancy. Yet, as Henry’s biological parents, they are bonded at the genetic level in the form of their son. While that is not the only reason for Emma and Neal to choose one another, the love they share for Henry already bonds them as family and is icing on top of the cake since they really do love one another. Plus, they both share a mutual interest as Henry’s parents, since he is both of their prime motivation, so it’s natural that thought would cross both of their minds as they think about their own relationship going forward.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm #223598RumplesGirl
KeymasterIt had a huge impact on Neal and this is something that he doesn’t want to screw up. He so badly wants to be good at this, at being a father. He’s going to proceed cautiously with Henry’s best interest at heart. His single biggest motivation is his son.
YES! (gah, I love MRJ)
Plus, they both share a mutual interest as Henry’s parents, since he is both of their prime motivation, so it’s natural that thought would cross both of their minds as they think about their own relationship going forward.
No matter what happens, they are Henry’s parents and that’s never going to chance. Like Neal said, “if Henry is the only thing that came from us being together, then we did ok.” And what did they produce? The boy with the heart of the truest believer who saves magic. I’d say that’s pretty great.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 13, 2013 at 7:30 pm #223600Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantYes SwanfireFamily will always happen no matter what!!! <3
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
November 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm #223604astrawoid
ParticipantMsKt86 wrote: I have read a few posts where fans have said Henry won’t be a factor on who Emma decides to be with, of course Henry will matter. Emma will always put her son first and rightly so. Hook’s behavior and actions in the last episode should be clear warning signs for Emma.
Obviously for us there is more. I don’t want them together JUST because of Henry–I think families come in all shapes and sizes and Henry was never going to be a kid with a normal family anyway (whatever normal means). But while it’s not the only reason we want SF together, it is something to take into consideration. Henry is *absolutely* a factor in Emma’s decision.
when it comes to your life, your children factor in. It would be a huge misstep in Emma’s character if she didn’t factor Henry into her decisions because, like JMo has said, at the end of the day, Henry is really her true love.
Emma has already made Henry the main focus of her life. And anyone that she is going to let into their lives has to put Henry as a priority in their own life. Obviously, Henry is a priority in Neal’s life already but I don’t see Henry as being important to Hook at all except as someone Emma cares about and is currently focusing on. I’m not sure if Hook realizes how much Henry will be around when they are back in SB and that Emma would probably never leave him there to go off adventuring or something like that without him. Emma’s life has completely changed now because of Henry. Her priorities are different than when she was single and alone. Henry absolutely has to factor in who Emma chooses to be with. That person will have to understand that Emma will always put Henry’s needs first and will feel like she has to be there for him as much as possible. When you have school-aged children, you can’t just take spontaneous vacations. Things have to be planned out, like who is going to take care of your child and make sure he/she gets to school for example. There are sacrifices a parent has to make at times. You can’t just go on dates or go drinking at the bar when your child has to do homework or work on a project for school the next day. Not to mention, kids need attention as well. Who ever Emma chooses has to share her with Henry. And many single parents want their child to like (approve of) who they are with. I’m not sure Henry would approve of anyone other than his dad right now so it would be difficult for any other man Emma may try to be with.
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."November 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm #223626Ozma
ParticipantI like to think that before emma makes this choice( that i still don`t see where cames from) between hook and neal, we will also have to see a SF kiss, and some sort of relantionship between neal and emma. Because is not possible that she chooses between what happened with hook in the present and her past with neal, to see who she really wants she needs to have a present relation with neal( i really hope she understands that neal is the one), so i have hope that we will still see many SF moments.
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