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I agree that Emma and Neal shouldn’t be together for Henry’s sake, but their situation is so far from that. Their feelings for each other are independent of Henry. I don’t understand how anyone can consider Henry a non-factor. One of the cutest running gags on the show is that Emma and Henry eat breakfast together. That was in many of the post-EF season 2 episodes. I can see Henry being the kid who joins Emma’s dates and Emma the mom who doesn’t mind. That would irritate a lot of people.
Also, Emma/Henry is one of the core relationships on the show and that’s been the case since the pilot. Any romantic partner of Emma’s is going to impact Emma/Henry, but the impact can’t be so great that it impacts the show.
The season 3 cast picture had Neal, Emma, and Henry with hands in pockets, and only them. That probably means nothing. I found it funny. 🙂
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I thought I was just imagining it but lately, on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media places, other folks are starting to make comments about how one sided the OUAT media promotion has been lately towards CS and they’re not happy about it either. I don’t know if these are SF folks or not but it’s a little upsetting to me that ABC seems to have an agenda with their publicity right now and it’s making one guy look romantic and heroic and the other practically nonexistent. Even the reviewer people are all latching onto it and not accepting Neal because of what he did to Emma. Seriously with this again?! Forgive and accept all the killing, adultery, abandonment, massacres, dark magic, and manipulation by the villains…persecute the lonely guy who gave up his happy ending so Emma could find her family. It’s gotten almost ridiculous at this point with promoting only one side of the Triangle of Doom. This story should be ADAM and EDDY’S story to tell and not the publicity machine from ABC dictating to them what’s to come because it ‘appears’ to be the most popular thing. I REALLY hope they are staying true to their story and not being pressured to change things because TPTB want their antihero. It’s not really helping the ratings at all (they’ve been pretty steady all season) so why would they be doing this in the third season of a show that many people started watching way before Hook even came onto it? In general I don’t know if I’ll ever understand the media’s fascination with the bad boy and personally, I think it gives young girls a really bad impression. I work with my church youth group (ages 12-18) and if any of them came up to me and started talking about how much they like this or that bad boy, I would have to set them straight about it. There’s enough stuff that kids have to deal with and going that direction is not something I want for them. 🙁 (Whoa, random rant there…sorry guys, I’m blaming the antibiotics tonight, LOL)
BTW-I’m hoping this weekend’s episode levels the playing field a little bit because the last two episodes have been very CS slanted at times (especially with the media). Triangles don’t work when you forget one side of them exists and I’m cautiously optimistic that things will be better after this weekend’s episode. I want some good SF stuff and big scenes with Wendy that make Neal shine like the quiet hero we all have seen him be. 🙂 <3
#MoreBOOMLessGloomThe writers could have avoided the cliche triangle thing, as they did a bit with Katherine /MM/David with Katherine taking herself out of it, or Tamara taking herself out by being revealed as evil but I don’t see any way right now for this to play out with Hook or Neal stepping back. I do not think they’re turning one or the other evil either, but they could.
They can do whatever they want with how they’ve written things, really. For all that we think we are seeing patterns and clues, ultimately, Hook can flip on a dime anyway, and Neal could get hit by a curse and has the world’s worst luck. Emma represses her feelings, so who knows what she really feels or thinks even if she says one thing. Short of some magic TLK or pixie dust–well, fans are going to argue forever.
I agree BlueButterfly, that Emma ought to be able to get to know present day Neal, with his past as Bae incorporated into her picture of him. She cannot truly choose, between these two without knowing both of them better, but again, she doesn’t have to choose anyone but Henry either. I think the writers could show why Hook or Neal isn’t right for her, but all the reasons people have thrown out there to this point are easily solved with fresh scenes.
I was put in mind of Jerry Maguire by the conversation about single mothers. If you recall that movie, Jerry is a kind of self-centered jerk, but he reforms into a passionate family man more or less, realizing he has hurt the single mother (can’t remember the character name!). So I do think they can show Hook’s changed his stripes completely, all for love if that’s what they want to say. Milah herself didn’t value Bae the way Emma does Henry. Neal and Emma weren’t together when Hook came on the scene, plus Neal doesn’t have a longstanding relationship with Henry. They only knew each other a few days really. So while Neal did step up to the plate on fatherhood, it is possible Hook could and the argument would be its different than with Bae, because it is more important to the woman he’s pursuing.I do think they’ve been showing off Neal’s good qualities though. His patience, understanding, love and I hope more is going to come. Yes he still has his flaws, but I hope those are things that, under less tense circumstances, Emma might still find endearing. They can write her reactions many ways, and so far, what I look for is those smiles. Once we see her glancing and smiling at him, it would give some momentum to it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I REALLY hope they are staying true to their story and not being pressured to change things because TPTB want their antihero.
Adam always says on Twitter that they are telling the story they want to tell. I hope that remains true, no matter what happens. Doesn’t mean they don’t do fan service becuase…I am starting to notice hints of fanservice here and there. Emma and Regina’s “our son” and Emma lightening the candle in 307 using the magic Regina taught her (which according to Tumblr is in every SQ fan fic EVER) and then in 308 them using their magic together to move the freaking moon feels like they are trying to reach out to one side of their fandom. Not saying SF OR CS are fanservice but I do wonder if A and E are still writing for themselves or now writing with their internet community placed more toward the front of their minds than normal.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m not sure if Hook realizes how much Henry will be around when they are back in SB and that Emma would probably never leave him there to go off adventuring or something like that without him. Emma’s life has completely changed now because of Henry.
His previous involvement with a mother of an adolescent was leaps and bounds different than his current predicament. Milah ran away from her problems and put her child behind her lover in her priorities. They may have wanted to go back for Bae, but they never did. Fast forward and we have Emma, who is only now connecting with the son she gave up. A reversal. He’s going to be clear and present in her life and she’s no longer going to let him be sidelined into the background. Whoever she ends up with has to realize and accept this.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I’m not sure if Hook realizes how much Henry will be around when they are back in SB and that Emma would probably never leave him there to go off adventuring or something like that without him. Emma’s life has completely changed now because of Henry.
His previous involvement with a mother of an adolescent was leaps and bounds different than his current predicament. Milah ran away from her problems and put her child behind her lover in her priorities. They may have wanted to go back for Bae, but they never did. Fast forward and we have Emma, who is only now connecting with the son she gave up. A reversal. He’s going to be clear and present in her life and she’s no longer going to let him be sidelined into the background. Whoever she ends up with has to realize and accept this.
And this is yet another mind boggling disconnect over the past 3 episodes. Hook may not have been the father type when Milah was alive (and I strongly suspect that had a lot to do with Milah) but when Bae was on his ship, turn out..Hook could be a Papa. “The things we do for our children” is such a significant line for him! And the first four episodes of this season, Hook was a father in mourning, just like Rumple. And then 5-7 happened and I don’t know what’s going on anymore. *headdesk*
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I think 308 is going to be huge for SF. I think it’s going to be the episode that finally has Emma start to reevaluate her past with Neal because she is going to see him in a whole new light. Meeting Wendy is going to be HUGE for her. And MRJ and A and E have said that Emma always reminded him of Wendy so having Emma and Wendy get to talk is really going to shape things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@MsKt86 – Is there anyway you could make a video with the song At Arms’ Length by Plumb from the vantage point of Emma? The lyrics have SF written all over them!
That is a wonderful song and its perfect for SF. I was picturing the scenes in my head as I was listening to it. I’m working on a Neal Cassidy video right now, but I’ll see what I can do
If you want a couple other song options to keep in mind for potential future vid use, I was listening to Resolution by Matt Corby last night and getting some SF feels. Also, Last Day On Earth by Kate Miller-Heidke, (fair warning, anyone who has ever lost anyone in any capacity will totally cry over that song).
I mean If they didn’t want Emma and Neal together I see no point of having Neal proclaiming his enduring love for Emma. Or hype up their enduring feelings for each other after 11 years over S2.
THIS. This is one of the major things that makes me think they’re intended as endgame. If they wanted SF to remain in the past, they’d have written their present day interactions completely differently. And as recently as 306 they were still writing Emma as loving Neal, so I don’t think they’ve changed their original gameplan. There would be no point to them having written that unless they’re intending to have them struggle through and get back together.
I’m not sure if Hook realizes how much Henry will be around when they are back in SB and that Emma would probably never leave him there to go off adventuring or something like that without him
And considering the last time he knew a woman in that exact same position, she did put him above her son, I guess why would he be expecting things to be different this time. Methinks Hook is headed for a much needed, long time coming reality check. *skips away singing* You can’t always get what you waaaannnnttt, but if you try sometiiiiiimes, you might fiiiiinnnnd, you get what you neeeeeed…..
I am starting to notice hints of fanservice here and there. Emma and Regina’s “our son” and Emma lightening the candle in 307 using the magic Regina taught her (which according to Tumblr is in every SQ fan fic EVER) and then in 308 them using their magic together to move the freaking moon feels like they are trying to reach out to one side of their fandom. Not saying SF OR CS are fanservice but I do wonder if A and E are still writing for themselves or now writing with their internet community placed more toward the front of their minds than normal.
I think stuff like Emma and Regina doing magic together fits perfectly in the story. They are both powerfully magical women, one dark, one light, who are also both Henry’s mothers, so having them join forces makes sense. SQ shippers can read into the “making magic together” stuff very easily, and if it gets them excited about the show then that’s great, but it still works on a non-romantic-SQ level as well, just as a plot point. Fire making lessons might be in every SQ fanfic ever, but that’s probably because Kitswitz decided to make fireballs Regina’s thing. Also, creating fire is a basic, elemental magic kinda thing, so it’d make sense for that to be Emma’s first magic lesson, both in fanfic, and in the actual show. Right after Regina got her SB magic back, she was testing it out by trying to light a candle, so I think it’s just a standard trick for beginners. So what I’m saying is, I’m sure they always intended to have Emma and Regina come together to use their magic, but the way the fandom has developed has just added another layer of interpretation to it, because that’s what fandom does.
So what I’m saying is, I’m sure they always intended to have Emma and Regina come together to use their magic, but the way the fandom has developed has just added another layer of interpretation to it, because that’s what fandom does.
You’re probably right. I just know that the fandom spins it another way. But that’s fandom spin not authorial intent.
THIS. This is one of the major things that makes me think they’re intended as endgame. If they wanted SF to remain in the past, they’d have written their present day interactions completely differently. And as recently as 306 they were still writing Emma as loving Neal, so I don’t think they’ve changed their original gameplan. There would be no point to them having written that unless they’re intending to have them struggle through and get back together.
Agreed. Emma could have very easily shot down Neal or declared that she had stopped loving him and boom. Done. But no, the episodes repeat the same theme: they still love each other and always will.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Eddy Kitsis (about Hook): I don’t know if she would stare at him and think he would be a great father to Henry but he might be fun in Vegas.”
Phee wrote: NL = Vegas. And you know what they say about what happens in Vegas. I hope that’s the reason they’re doing this triangle mess while they’re in NL, because it’s a land where everything, especially emotions, are wonky. The only way I can see CS continuing to interact post-NL without it being incredibly awkward (and we do know they’ll be interacting, to the point where she’s giving him a lift in her car) is if they can say, “So, NL was a real trip huh.”
This is why I think the CS hook-up had to happen in NL, when Emma’s inhibitions are lowered and her emotions are all over the place. I think NL was like a week at Vegas, and even after 3×7 you could tell Emma was regretful about leading Hook on. What seemed like something more was really just a kiss to Emma. I think she regrets ever kissing him because it has only served as a major distraction from the mission of saving Henry. One kiss was enough to make Hook act like he and Emma are a “thing”, even though she keeps saying it was just a kiss, to the point where Hook had to bring it up to Neal and make a big to-do about nothing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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