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July 25, 2014 at 12:56 pm #278427RumplesGirlKeymaster
I just read your post over in the filming thread. I didn’t even notice the fact that they are in the cemetery. Basically, get married first, then go see dead son, then go have honeymoon. I don’t know if I’m angry or sad.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"July 25, 2014 at 1:18 pm #278429PriceofMagicParticipantAlso, im sad, bc of something i saw on twiter, and i even post on the filming one, the rumbelle pic that came out yesterday was taken at the cemetery, so sad again, once again lets stick the knife again, when im starting to move on, they come back and this show goes and show me once again why i gave up on it
I think that is going to be a beautifully heartbreaking scene and a nice way to show Baelfire isn’t forgotten. Either way the writers can’t win. If they never mention Baelfire again, they’d be accused of never mentioning him again despite him playing a big part in both Rumple’s and Emma’s lives. If they do a scene like it would appear they have to show that Baelfire is still remembered by the other characters, then they are accused of dragging things back up and of “sticking in the knife” again. Either way they can’t win.
I just read your post over in the filming thread. I didn’t even notice the fact that they are in the cemetery. Basically, get married first, then go see dead son, then go have honeymoon. I don’t know if I’m angry or sad.
Like I said above, either way the writers can’t win. I think it is better that they show a scene where Baelfire is still remembered by others rather than just never mention him again.
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Keeper of FelixJuly 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm #278430RumplesGirlKeymasterThat’s all well and nice. But maybe–just maybe–they could have stuck to their idea that this show was about family and not killed a father, son, lover, friend.
I don’t really care if the writers can or cannot win.
Actually, they could have won. Just don’t kill Neal. Look. Problem solved.
There is nothing beautiful in a scene where a father is standing over his son’s grave mourning him knowing full well that he has committed murder and is lying to the only other person in his life. The fact that they have Rumple, who I have been rooting for since day one, standing over Neal’s grave with tears in his eyes knowing that he so disgustingly dishonored his son makes my stomach turn. And I’ll feel that way if I want. Writers feelings be darned.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"July 25, 2014 at 3:53 pm #278434PriceofMagicParticipantThat’s all well and nice. But maybe–just maybe–they could have stuck to their idea that this show was about family and not killed a father, son, lover, friend.
I don’t really care if the writers can or cannot win.
Actually, they could have won. Just don’t kill Neal. Look. Problem solved.
There is nothing beautiful in a scene where a father is standing over his son’s grave mourning him knowing full well that he has committed murder and is lying to the only other person in his life. The fact that they have Rumple, who I have been rooting for since day one, standing over Neal’s grave with tears in his eyes knowing that he so disgustingly dishonored his son makes my stomach turn. And I’ll feel that way if I want. Writers feelings be darned.
I think the scene will be beautifully acted in the same way that Emma and Neal over the portal in season 2 was beautifully acted.
We don’t know the real reasons for killing Neal. If MRJ wanted out meaning Neal wouldn’t be around at all, then there wasn’t really any other way to write out Neal other than to kill him because Neal wouldn’t just up and leave Henry. It seemed like they started wrapping up Neal’s story first by having him reunite with Rumple then have his attitude towards Emma switch from “I’ll always fight for you” to “I want you to be happy, even if it’s with someone else”.
Genuine question here: Since Neal is dead and doesn’t look to be coming back anytime soon (But you never know with this show), would you prefer to have a scene that shows Neal is remembered by the other characters or would you prefer Neal to never be mentioned again?
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Keeper of FelixJuly 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm #278438SlurpeezParticipantI’m stopping by to wave hello to my fellow SF fans.
Genuine question here: Since Neal is dead and doesn’t look to be coming back anytime soon (But you never know with this show), would you prefer to have a scene that shows Neal is remembered by the other characters or would you prefer Neal to never be mentioned again?
As for Neal, I’m happy for him to be remembered by his family, especially by his papa. I think life goes on, even after a tragic loss. What upsets me isn’t the fact that Rumple honors the memory of his son in the present day. What upsets me still is the S3 finale when Past Rumple drank the forgetting potion, which was completely out of sync with everything we’ve been shown of Past Rumple, ever since “Desperate Souls” and later “The Return” and “Manhattan.” That Rumple, the one who’d move heaven and Earth to find his little boy, who never could forgive himself for letting him go, who’d sacrifice one world for the next, would’ve done everything in his power to preserve the life of his son, even if it meant Bae would be safe and alive in the future and himself dead and gone. Instead, the writers so carelessly threw away the entire character motivation Rumple ever had in finding his son.
True, by forgetting what Emma told him, Rumple ensured he’d still eventually find his son, but he also sealed the tragic fate of his dear boy by failing to prevent his death. Emma also ensured that Neal would remain dead by making Rumple forget everything she told him, when it was in her power to do the seemingly impossible and save him. If Emma and Rumple both loved Bae so much, I find it hard to believe they’d simply be resigned to his otherwise preventable death. They wouldn’t have even had to change that much in terms of history; just tweak it enough to change recent events without changing anything prior to say Neverland.
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July 25, 2014 at 5:46 pm #278439TheWatcherParticipantwould you prefer to have a scene that shows Neal is remembered by the other characters or would you prefer Neal to never be mentioned again?
Neal being remembered. Especially by Henry. Call it closure if they must completely move on from Neal. Because what we had before doesn’t cut it for me. First Henry at the funeral doesn’t even know who Neal is because he didn’t have his memory and then we had a brief scene of him putting a rose on Neals grave and that was it. Not even a conversation with either of his mothers about his feelings.
While both my parents are still alive, though not together, I’m sure losing one of them is a very traumatic event and not one that you just move on from so easily. If/When Neal appears in flashbacks I hope they in present day, Emma is telling Henry about those flashbacks she and Neal experienced (if that sentence makes sense at all) because he is actually talking to her about it. *and now Watcher feels sad about her own papa* :/
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True, by forgetting what Emma told him, Rumple ensured he’d still eventually find his son, but he also sealed the tragic fate of his dear boy by failing to prevent his death. Emma also ensured that Neal would remain dead by making Rumple forget everything she told him, when it was in her power to do the seemingly impossible and save him.
I think the Rumple drinking the memory potion can be viewed 2 ways:
1. He’s being a coward and taking the easy route out. He doesn’t want to face the fact his son will die.
2. Rumple is being brave and doing the right thing. He knows how important it is to not change anything even though it means Bae will die.
I don’t blame Rumple for drinking the potion since he has to in order to maintain the timeline and make everything happen as it should.
If Emma had gone back in time and stopped Neal meeting Tamara then Neverland and those events forward wouldn’t have happened.
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Keeper of FelixJuly 25, 2014 at 5:57 pm #278441TheWatcherParticipantI don’t blame Rumple for drinking the potion since he has to in order to maintain the timeline and make everything happen as it should.
This is iffy for me. I agree with both options and can understand them but at that time on the past, Rump is willing to sacrifice all of the enchanted forest to retrieve his son… Then someone tells him, yeah you’ll get your son but he will die, and rump is just totally fine with that? Honestly, I would have expected him to take some other action.
HOWEVER: Rump surely knows, just as the seer told him, that what will happen will happen despite his actions to change it so he may have just deduced that there was nothing he could do would rather continue on without knowing this bit of the future. So yeah, to me its both out of character yet compeltely in character spending on how you want to see it.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICJuly 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm #278442RainbowParticipantActually everything could still have happen, was only needed for emma to say to rumple 1 thing, tell Rumple about Pan, so in that case, he could have killed pan without killing himself, see, not dificult, NVl still could have happen, Oz could have happen and rumple wouldnt be in the vault, so no need to rescue him, and everything could still happen the way it happened, even him being caught by zelena, if she threat to kill everyone, he would give up his dagger to her, and he will be the hero he was supposed to be on 311, by sacrificing himself for everyone. Like this, no timeline would be broken, neal would have been alive, he could still have sent the message to hook to bring emma, and everything would be ok, bc they would have now new memories of neal, like they had after the time travel thing, that was actually what destroyed the timeline, not neal, being alive.
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July 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm #278443RumplesGirlKeymasterI’m stopping by to wave hello to my fellow SF fans.
We miss you. So strange having a summer without you and Phee around. Especially with tomorrow being comic-con
I’m sure losing one of them is a very traumatic event and not one that you just move on from so easily
I can attest that this doesn’t even come close to scratching the surface of what it’s like.
I don’t blame Rumple for drinking the potion since he has to in order to maintain the timeline and make everything happen as it should.
Rumple does not HAVE to do anything. I agree with Slurpeez. Drinking the potion was one of the most OOC moments I have ever seen on this show.
If Emma had gone back in time and stopped Neal meeting Tamara then Neverland and those events forward wouldn’t have happened.
Not even remotely close to the same thing but GOOD. Henry was kidnapped and Rumple “died” Go stop those events. I’ll sit here and applaud.
Genuine question here: Since Neal is dead and doesn’t look to be coming back anytime soon (But you never know with this show), would you prefer to have a scene that shows Neal is remembered by the other characters or would you prefer Neal to never be mentioned again?
I want him remembered by people who actually care about him (which is nobody anymore) and did not dishonor him in one of the horrifying ways I’ve seen. Rumple and Neal’s reunion and forgiveness was for NOTHING after what Rumple did. Rumple doesn’t get to murder Zelena, marry Belle, and think everything is a-ok.
And I’m having a really hard time understanding why you’re coming in here, a CSer, to try and change our minds about how we feel about Neal’s death and actions that are taken on this show moving forward. You think he was always going to die. You think that the writers deserve some modicum of sympathy because “oh poor writers, they can’t win!”. Fine. You’re entitled to your opinion.
What I’m struggling with here is that you see Rainbow and I upset over soemething in our own shipping thread and feel the need to try and step in and make it out like we’re over reacting or that we don’t have the right to feel this way.
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