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KFC, glad you got a laugh out of WS. We all need chuckle occasionally. 😆 You’re also absolutely correct if P&P were today. If nobody knew the story at all, the shippers would go nuts. (A side note, if you love P&P, read Bridget Jones’s Diary, a hilarious modern day version and much better than the movie). I do admit to hating Darcy the first time I read it. Wickham was still a…sometime I can’t type here, but Darcy wasn’t my favorite. But then I reread it and fell hard. Who knows what side of the shipping I’d be on if it was done today in the way you said.
Shipping, although I didn’t know it was called this as a young teen, was what made me despise Little Women. I absolutely loved that novel–until Jo broke Laurie’s heart and he turned to her sister. Then it turned into a horrible book. So in my version Jo and Laurie ended up together and the rest of the book never happened. I like living in my little world of denial.
Speaking of all the changes to fairytale and fandom’s views, it’s sort of why I ship Hookriel. I loved Ariel but never warmed to Prince Eric. The guy turned to the first person who had a voice that reminded him of someone who rescued him. What a stupid reason to fall in love, and very shallow at that. At least in Sleeping Beauty, my favorite as a child, Aurora and Phillip had a sassy flirting session before they felling in love. So if they end up deciding to pair Ariel with someone else, even if it’s not Hook, I will be perfectly fine with it.
Oops, off topic from SwanFire. Go Neal! Go Emma! Reunite and give Henry another sibling. 😛
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Shipping, although I didn’t know it was called this as a young teen, was what made me despise Little Women. I absolutely loved that novel–until Jo broke Laurie’s heart and he turned to her sister. Then it turned into a horrible book. So in my version Jo and Laurie ended up together and the rest of the book never happened. I like living in my little world of denial.
THIS. It made no sense! Like of course Jo and Laurie were supposed to be together! *grr*
Aaaaaaaaand back to SwanFire
Go Emma! Go Neal!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree about Little Women, I had the same reaction.
So to connect Little Women to Emma/Neal/Hook, one of the explanations I’ve seen for why Little Women unfolded that way was that it boils down to complimenting versus competing with the person. If you are too much alike you might make great friends, but not have the ease needed to temper disagreements, to be better together, rather than echoing each other’s bad qualities.
I think Hook and Emma, to the extent we saw a bond in Tallahassee atop the bean stalk, had that competitive vibe. After that, they were really adversaries, so they actually WERE competing. With Neal, there are definite differences. He might get upset, but I think he does not try to keep the fight going. He reacts to Emma’s ire with “let’s go have a beer.” Let’s diffuse the tension, and do something normal for a minute, so we can talk. He wasn’t interested in running away from her, but he understands her well enough to know how to avoid turning everything into a fight or a game of one-upping the other.
I’ve seen someone accuse him of running in the scene in Manhattan, which makes no sense to me. He walked away to a bar. Ordered beers and sat down. Even when Emma runs outside to panic and talk to Snow, he is still sitting there waiting for her. She trusted him not to run off, and he didn’t. He wants to keep talking but she cuts him off and says time to go.
More headcannon that has no basis in logic, but I like to think he would have blurted out some version of his apology on the beach if she hadn’t rushed him out of there. I think he had a passing, fleeting thought, as well, that it was a shame they didn’t finish their beers. ;-).
Some people find Neal’s responses to Emma as “mocking”, but I think these two have an ease and banter to their conversations. Like some people think he actually got Henry drunk, but it was a total joke between Neal and Emma to compare an exhausted Henry to a passed out drunk person. Emma is still slightly annoyed and guarded with him, at times, but of course there’s such angst in the events going on around them.
I think it is hard to compare what we have seen of Hook and Emma as they haven’t had very long on the same side. I suppose WS had a similar give and take, so I do think August had potential but for me the thing that doomed that ship the most was nothing to do with his character or the writing or Eion’s wonderfully attractive self–its that I couldn’t stop seeing that Disney animated puppet’s face every time I thought of him. This is a bit of problem for Hook too for me–throw on a red overcoat, a big hat and have him grow a beard, and all his adventures with the floor suddenly seem very natural to the character in the Disney version.
One thing I like about Neal–even though at one point I sort of wanted him to BE PP–is he is not a familiar face from a fairytale. That aspect, that he, Henry and Emma are original characters as talked about in Schmacky’s blog post, is part of the appeal of this ship too.
Explosive matches don’t always work in the long run (but can look like great TV).
So I’m not resigned to anything, but at the same time,
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Maybe she did try to give him up, because he might have just evaded the police. We don’t know, and there’s so much left untold about the sequence of all those events that people can have a lot of fun with the head-cannon. I like the idea that she stood by him, and it was only after years of not hearing from him that she gave up hope.
True, we don’t know for sure that she didn’t offer up info to the cops. But would she have spent a couple of years in Tallahassee looking for him if she thought he might have been in jail due to information she’d given? It’s not 100% confirmation, but it’s enough for me to believe that she didn’t give him up unless and until we’re shown otherwise.
(Frodo and Sam are SOOO endgame, but Gimli and Legolas are my OTP)
If not for that meddlesome Rosie Cotton getting in the way. Just sayin’. 😉
I’ve seen someone accuse him of running in the scene in Manhattan, which makes no sense to me. He walked away to a bar.
I love everything about Neal’s demeanour in that scene. There’s the mix of shock and happiness when he first sees Emma, the confusion when she starts ranting, then she says Rumple’s name and you see a switch flip inside his head and the scared kid resurfaces, then the realisation that there’s some serious explaining to do. (Honestly, is it any surprise he wanted to be where the alcohol was? I’d have ordered something stronger than a beer.)
He didn’t run from her, he was being sensible in realising that this was NOT a conversation to be had out in the street, which was really just common sense.
I also loved the way he casually said she could keep yelling at him once they got to the bar because it was a familiar sense of, “I know how you are when you get like this,” and her foot stomp head shake was that familiar, “OMG you drive me insane but I can’t quit you,” thing. Those few seconds said to me that despite all the years apart, they still knew each other.
Some people find Neal’s responses to Emma as “mocking”, but I think these two have an ease and banter to their conversations. Like some people think he actually got Henry drunk, but it was a total joke between Neal and Emma to compare an exhausted Henry to a passed out drunk person.
Wait up, there are people who think he was being serious about having got the kid drunk?! LOL
Also, I completely agree that they have the banter going on. What some see as “mocking”, I see as a reinforcement of their familiarity, because when you have a certain level of closeness with someone, you can rib each other safe in the knowledge that it’s not something that should be taken to heart. (My close friends and I will regularly straight up insult each other, but it’s done as an expression of affection and all of us know that it’s not said with serious intent.)
Yeah, he had a go at her saying he never believed in her lie detection superpower. But she instantly shut him down with, “Oh PLZ, whatever, you so did,” and keeps sticking to her guns. And he agrees to let her look into it, because yeah, she’s right, he totally did believe in her lie detecting thing, so even if he doesn’t wanna believe she’s right, he’s still gotta wonder and let her do her thing and see it through. He has no reason to not trust her. She’s never betrayed him in the past, she actually put herself on the line to protect him.
Neal and Emma have been through a lot, as individuals, and as a couple. They’re stuck in a seriously screwed up situation. They still have a whole lotta stuff to deal with. But in the midst of the madness of SB, he was something familiar she could hold onto, the only person in town who had known her before SB, the only other person who actually knows what living in this world is really like and the mindset it gives you. Since getting there she’s had everyone trying to redefine who she is, but he knew her before. So in the scene in Lacey where he tells her that he knows she always finds what she’s looking for and she’ll figure this new mystery out, he wasn’t saying that as someone saying to her, “You’re the Saviour, so you have the power to do it.” It was a vote of confidence in her as an actual person. So for all the ribbing he gives her, even if someone can’t see those interactions and interpret them as a sign of their familiarity with each other, THAT moment right there is what proves that he believes in her. The awkwardness of everything is stripped away in that brief moment and he’s just, “You’re awesome.”
If, after that moment, he tries to make out like he doesn’t believe in her, that’s his fear talking, because if she’s right, like he knows she usually is, that means Tamara has deceived him and he’s once again been betrayed by someone he cared for and is gonna lose them, and he doesn’t wanna have to feel that again, and frankly I don’t blame him.
One thing I like about Neal–even though at one point I sort of wanted him to BE PP–is he is not a familiar face from a fairytale. That aspect, that he, Henry and Emma are original characters as talked about in Schmacky’s blog post, is part of the appeal of this ship too.
Yes! I love that they’re their own original fairytale story. It’s cool how K&H have twisted all the old stories, and at the same time written their very own fairytale to weave in as well.
It’s one of the major factors that I think points towards them being endgame. The standard fairytale formula is a destined couple overcoming the odds. It’s not a couple falling in love, then falling out of love, and falling in love with other people. I know K&H have said they intend to explore the theme of finding a new love, but I think, if they want to stick with the fairytale formula, the only characters who will be given a second chance with a new love are those who unquestionably have no way of resolving things with a past love, due to the other person having died.
Found on tumblr:
http://swanfireneedslove.tumblr.com/post/55373146062/submitted-by-greenstar910On the one hand, I love it, because now I’m imagining him going to get some magical ashes, taking them to Lake Nostos, and using the swan keychain as his compass to direct the portal where he wants to go. Snow and Emma used a magical compass to guide them where they wanted to go, (not unlike Jack’s compass in PotC that points in the direction of what your heart desires most). So the keychain could potentially work as a compass for Neal in the same way, perhaps?
On the other hand, I’d been hoping that Belle might be involved in bringing him back somehow, and this would eliminate that possibility, which would be a bummer.
Unless it just took him back to SB, (the place he thinks Emma is) instead of to NL, (where she actually is), then we could still have some Belle/Neal stuff as they work together to find out where the rest of the family has gone.
Anyway, just as long as if he uses it to get out of FTL, he still has it on him after the fact, because as we’ve discussed before, there needs to come a day when he gives it back to her.
And we’ll all melt into a puddle of goo when he hands it back to her and she realizes he’s kept it close to him since that day in Manhattan.
If it happens during an episode where his father is being romantic, too, my heart just not survive. 😀
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
“Manhattan”…
Neal: Why do you wear the, uh, key chain I got you?
Emma: To remind myself never to trust someone again.
“Future Ep”…
Emma: Why did you keep the key chain?
Neal: To remind myself to never let you go again.
Aaaaannnnd FEELS.
I really want a scene in the opening episode where Neal has been revived and is sitting in FTL holding the necklace, staring at it. Then he just says, “I need to go home” or something equally short and poetic.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I definitely want to see the necklace again too and have it play a role in reuniting the two.
I was going to say that Emma should also say she trusts people again, but I think she’s well on her way there, including trusting Neal. She’s trusted Neal not to run out of the bar in Manhattan, trusted him to take Henry to NY to escape Regina, trusted him to get her back against Tamara if Tamara was in the evil lair.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
The fact that she was willing to let Henry go and live with Neal in NYC speaks volumes about her actual levels of trust for the guy, despite what she said in the bar. If she honestly believed that Neal was a no good lying liar who couldn’t be trusted at all, no way would she allow him to take Henry away all on his own.
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