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BTW-Totally random but can anyone explain to me why I keep getting taken back to the very first page of this thread after any post I make in here? None of the other threads do that to me and it’s starting to bug me. Thanks for the help!
That happens whenever a thread surpasses 100 pages. I may need to start a secondary SF thread…but I don’t want to. I hope this bug can get worked out.
Good point, Phee about the plaid dress. Emma did wear a lot of plaid when she met Neal in 2×6. I didn’t want to put much weight into it when lisa brought it up in the chatroom, but now….it’s giving me hope, however slim…
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That happens whenever a thread surpasses 100 pages. I may need to start a secondary SF thread…but I don’t want to. I hope this bug can get worked out.
noooooooooooo. I like this one. I know it’s annoying but I like watching our pages grow! (is that odd?)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m not concerned by those pics, because I’ll bet Princess Buttercup would never be caught dead in those plaid pants that Emma’s wearing with the red jacket.
Princess Buttercup was also:
1) Not a princess (grew up on a farm)
2) Raised by her parents
3) Forced into marrying a man she did not love
4) Was constantly kidnapped and had to be rescued
5) Almost killed herself when Wesley “died”
Emma, by contrast:
1) Is a princess
2) Was not raised by her parents
3) Was never forced to love anyone
4) Has never needed to be rescued (We don’t do damsels in distress)
5) Fought for her life when she thought Neal left.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Phee wrote: I’m not concerned by those pics, because I’ll bet Princess Buttercup would never be caught dead in those plaid pants that Emma’s wearing with the red jacket.
Princess Buttercup was also: 1) Not a princess (grew up on a farm) 2) Raised by her parents 3) Forced into marrying a man she did not love 4) Was constantly kidnapped and had to be rescued 5) Almost killed herself when Wesley “died” Emma, by contrast: 1) Is a princess 2) Was not raised by her parents 3) Was never forced to love anyone 4) Has never needed to be rescued (We don’t do damsels in distress) 5) Fought for her life when she thought Neal left.
Oh let’s go further.
Wesley was:
1) a Poor farmboy
2) kidnapped by pirates
3) got the trust of the pirates
4) found his love again by running into her (they roll down hill in the movie) while she was on a dangerous mission with loveable villains
Neal is:
1) a poor farmboy
2) who was kidnapped by pirates only to
3) earn the pirates love and trust
4) and re met his love by literally running into her and falling to the ground while she was on a dangerous mission with a lovable villain.
Hook was
1) a naval officer
2) who became a pirate out of choice and not necessity
3) forced his men to become pirates
4) an met Emma while he was hiding under a bunch of bodies.
What does this mean?
It means fan interpretation is interpretation. No more. No less.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Thanks for the info about the thread length being the cause. I’ll be fine dealing with it from now on because I like seeing this thread grow too! 😀
BTW-Emma was wearing a big red scarf when she ran into Neal in Manhattan. What does it mean? I think it just means Emma likes the color red. 😉
Seriously, fan interpretation is going to drive us all nuts through this upcoming winter break and that goes for every single person in the fandom, LOL 😆
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI think you all should read this interpretation of one scene from the 308 sneak peek. Sail on, ship mates. Sail on.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The writers cannot be that stupid or unoriginal. These are the guys who wrote Lost….I doubt they’re using some one else’s story, especially a classic one like that, to help tell their own story. I’m starting to get worried though too that they’re listening to the way too loud ‘majority’ and not telling their own story anymore. They’ve laid way too many pieces to start changing things now and quite frankly, that will be a deal breaker for me with this show if they change something because of the fans.
Not sure if I had to spoiler parts of that but I did anyway just in case. This is my biggest fear.
If it goes any other way but a SF ending, I don’t think I could help but feel like they sold out.
It’s so easy to read into things. I did start to get worried when people thought Emma’s tattoo was a buttercup but I think the clothes is reading far too much into things. Seems like they are clutching at straws haha
To be fair here, it’s not like the show itself doesn’t have the built-in idea of taking well-known characters and combining them. As a person who was onboard Hookriel, well I cannot draw a line at TPB being used for Hookiecup. I do still feel Emma ought to be her own unique character but if that is not the TPB plan well then it isn’t, but I don’t think it could have been their ORIGINAL plan.
The fact is TV is a commercial medium and they map out season to season what they can do. Adam tries to talk out of both sides of his mouth sometimes, like when he said Jared was misquoted for saying Henry has to be with his real dad. Um, Adam, it was a direct tweet. The kid’s 13, give him a break. He said it, you don’t have to agree with that opinion, and as showrunner probably should not take sides as that’s a “spoiler”. There was also something about Jane at a convention but I forget the details. She is ON FILM saying something and he said again misquoted, then had to say she misunderstood something. Riiiiiight …..well Adam’s job isn’t just to write the thing but promote the thing which is why he takes up time on twitter.
Social Media is a new thing for TV networks, and with this week’s news of Blockbuster dying out, it’s just another sign of how entertainment is adjusting to a world of digital media distribution. They want live viewers to sell to advertisers rather than DVR add skipping, who knows when they’ll see it viewers. Adam is motivated to make sure his show does well.
As an artist maybe some part of him wants to tell his “vision” but ultimately we all know there are so many limits placed upon network TV. Budgets, actors, egos, copyrights, weather, you name it but also, fan reaction. So there’s this fad of CS out there now and regardless of how intentional it was from the writer’s point of view, they are aware of it. Despite all the people who say it was clearly the plan from the start, clearly endgame even now, there’s always the possibility it was added in or its just a bit of a diversion because it IS popular. We can’t know. We may never know unless the writers reveal it or the actors do.
I am never going to believe ReHo was the plan from the start. The tattoo, the actor change, the lack of any particular obvious hints –it all just says “ok, they are embroidering this new tale now” but they are building it slowly. They did it in a way where even if it wasn’t always the plan it looks like it is being planned.
As for CS, and I’d rather call it Hook/Emma or something else other than standard “they fell in love on the beanstalk” when the writers used to say “not that she’s going to fall in love with him or anything” after that episode, and various other things, as well as saying how she’s still in love with Neal, all of it just makes me think I’d rather the writers had left Bae out of it entirely. Hookiecup is no sillier than Hookriel but because I like Bae, I find myself annoyed rather than thrilled with how they’ve set all this up given the backstory.
If he’d been Neal, just real-world-guy, her first-love, then I guess I’d think he’s just an obstacle to her romance with Hook. He isn’t though. They spent too much time setting him up as a kid, and as an adult, though his story doesn’t take center stage so far. Like Henry, there are a lot of characters who react because of him even if we don’t see him and his point of view at certain times. Yet we DO see his point of view. They did take him to the FTL and give us those season-staging scenes of him stating his goals, get to my son and my…I don’t know what she is but I want a second chance because I love her.
I liked Schmacky’s post there, yes that gave me hope, and I can’t wait to see how Rumple gets out of this. In a way it also gave me some good feels that everyone else reacted like Neal did upon hearing the prophecy–WOAH, draw your sword and back away from the Dark One! Neal may be Rumple’s son, but he is also Henry’s father and he knows more than anyone that Rumple might actually kill Henry because he knows Rumple offered to make Neal 14 again moments after hearing about Henry. He wasn’t overjoyed to hear he had a grandson and Neal SAW that. I know it gets resolved b/c of the next sneak with Wendy (seriously they did those in the wrong order!). Maybe it makes Neal’s reaction look less harsh to those who found it so. Then again they will probably be annoyed he spoke out against Rumple, but praising how Hook bravely raises his sword, just like Emma while Neal does not raise a weapon. Of course if he did, that would be bad too. Guy cannot win, can he?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
It means fan interpretation is interpretation. No more. No less.
You’re absolutely right. Just because Adam and Eddy were paying homage to a classic romantic movie “The Princess Bride” doesn’t mean CS is end-game because there are just as many “Pirates of the Caribbean” references. The writers might just be acknowledging that Colin O’Donoghue said he bases his own portrayal of Hook some on the Dread Pirate Roberts. Yet, that doesn’t automatically make Hook the same as Wesley anymore than it makes Emma Buttercup. (As RG was quick to point out, Emma and Buttercup are nothing alike). Also, we have to keep in mind that the writers have paid homage to “Pirates of the Caribbean”‘s Jack Sparrow by giving Hook some great lines: (e.g. “Who drank all the rum?”, “Bottle of sparkly dirt,” and “I prefer captain.”). So if we’re going to play the game of movie parallels equal plot development then Captain Hook is to Jack Sparrow as Emma Swan is to Elizabeth Swan. And we all know that it never would’ve worked out between Jack and Elizabeth because he was a man of the seas and she loved Will, a humble, yet honest blacksmith who only became a pirate out of necessity (Will in this case is comparable to Neal, a poor, yet honest tradesman who only became a thief out of necessity). So, yeah these movie parallels cut both ways.
I think you all should read this interpretation of one scene from the 308 sneak peek. Sail on, ship mates. Sail on.
Yes, I’m going to keep shipping, even if it’s bumpy seas ahead!
Leap of Faith! From Tumblr:
Here are some pretty Swanfire images. Remember, the symbolism of a firebird, the phoenix, which rises from the ashes to be reborn. I have faith that SF is strong enough to endure any CS stuff that might head our way:
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
To be fair here, it’s not like the show itself doesn’t have the built-in idea of taking well-known characters and combining them. As a person who was onboard Hookriel, well I cannot draw a line at TPB being used for Hookiecup. I do still feel Emma ought to be her own unique character but if that is not the TPB plan well then it isn’t, but I don’t think it could have been their ORIGINAL plan.
Oh absolutely. And I wasn’t saying that there is no way that Hook couldn’t be Wesley and that Emma couldn’t be Buttercup; I’m saying it’s all interpretation and those who argue for HookieCup are coming at that with their lenses firmly in place and already have romantic notions about HookieCup/CS. That plays into their interpretation and that’s fine. But it’s important to remember that each of these characters are Adam and Eddy’s. They may combine several classic characters into one, but that in and of itself makes that character unique and the sole property of A and E. So, Snow is *not* Disney’s Snow and she’s not the Grimm Brothers’s Snow. She’s A and E Snow White; she bears traits from previous incarnations of Snow but she also has other ideas laced into her being.
Social Media is a new thing for TV networks, and with this week’s news of Blockbuster dying out, it’s just another sign of how entertainment is adjusting to a world of digital media distribution. They want live viewers to sell to advertisers rather than DVR add skipping, who knows when they’ll see it viewers. Adam is motivated to make sure his show does well. As an artist maybe some part of him wants to tell his “vision” but ultimately we all know there are so many limits placed upon network TV. Budgets, actors, egos, copyrights, weather, you name it but also, fan reaction. So there’s this fad of CS out there now and regardless of how intentional it was from the writer’s point of view, they are aware of it. Despite all the people who say it was clearly the plan from the start, clearly endgame even now, there’s always the possibility it was added in or its just a bit of a diversion because it IS popular. We can’t know. We may never know unless the writers reveal it or the actors do. I am never going to believe ReHo was the plan from the start. The tattoo, the actor change, the lack of any particular obvious hints –it all just says “ok, they are embroidering this new tale now” but they are building it slowly. They did it in a way where even if it wasn’t always the plan it looks like it is being planned.
I also agree with this. I think it might have been GoldenKey who said this but it feels like A and E aren’t writing for themselves anymore but rather for their fans. It’s a hard line to fine, though. A and E are writers but they are also business men and they recognize the importance of live views and bringing in money in order to continue writing. So on the one hand, they need to stay true to their vision but on the other, they have to ensure that their vision isnt going to drive away the people watching. I see equal amounts of “CS is endgame” and “SF is endgame” but like you said, until Adam and Eddy show or tell us “this is how it was always going to be” we don’t know. There are some numbers to back up the CS popularity, but it’s not substantial at all. The KISS episode was higher rated in the demos than the episode before, BUT “Ariel” pulled in an even higher demo rating and that had more to do with the iconic character than any lingering CS feels. And then 307 dipped back down to our standard 2.1 and I think that is mostly attributed to being tired of the triangle because the mermaid was still in the episode. (I know far too much about ONCE ratings. I have turned into a crazy person)
If he’d been Neal, just real-world-guy, her first-love, then I guess I’d think he’s just an obstacle to her romance with Hook. He isn’t though. They spent too much time setting him up as a kid, and as an adult, though his story doesn’t take center stage so far. Like Henry, there are a lot of characters who react because of him even if we don’t see him and his point of view at certain times. Yet we DO see his point of view. They did take him to the FTL and give us those season-staging scenes of him stating his goals, get to my son and my…I don’t know what she is but I want a second chance because I love her.
I agree. They did a lot of work setting up Nealfire. I mean…the Curse was for him. The thing that drove the show from the beginning. That’s what I loved so much about “The Return.” It took everything you thought you knew (Regina cast a curse to get her happy ending over Snowing–typical fairy tale stuff) and turned it on its head (Papa Rumple set in the Curse in motion after he lost his son in order to find him–very human stuff). The Neal = plot device theory is slowly driving me mad because it means that the entire show is built on a rather shaky literary device and I don’t think that’s worthy of Adam and Eddy and their undeinable skill. We all fell in love with the show from the start in season one. To say that the show, built around the idea of a father finding his son and everything that went into that, is just a plot device…well…that’s bad writing. Especially if it’s in service of another love story that has yet to really take hold ON SCREEN.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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