Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[kfchimera]

I was glad for the fan art at least.

[Phee]

As an artist maybe some part of him wants to tell his “vision” but ultimately we all know there are so many limits placed upon network TV. Budgets, actors, egos, copyrights, weather, you name it but also, fan reaction.

This is why, even though sometimes I wanna reach into Twitter and slap Adam for some of the stuff he says and some of the people he engages with, at the end of the day, I just feel kinda bad for the guy. Because when you have a creative vision, but you don’t have complete control over it, and you have people tearing it apart constantly…it’s gotta be rough. There are so many different people to please, while still trying to stay true to your personal vision.

Let’s not worry too much. We have a lot of bizarre spoilers but nothing concrete.

Also, there are how many scenes in a full ep? Lots. We get only a couple of those scenes spoiled during the time they’re actually shooting any given ep. There’s so much more that’s going on that we don’t know about until the promo and official BTS pics come out.

At least J-Mo brought up Neal, but I’m sorta sad that she think Emma was motivated to save Neal because she sees him as a missing puzzle piece to rescue Henry. Surely, Emma was motivated to save Neal, not just for her son, but for herself as well.

I think JMo was basically responding to all the people who were all, “Saving Neal was stupid, she’s meant to be trying to save her son, and the side mission was just a distraction.” I remember seeing even an Emma RPer on tumblr got sent a comment about it, and she responded just like JMo did: we need him to get off the island. So I can just imagine what people said to JMo directly about it. Those types of viewers won’t give credit to an interview answer where JMo talks about Emma loving Neal, but an answer that addresses just the fact that they did need him to help the mission might actually get through to them and make them shut up about it.

[Phee]

Also, I love that MRJ brought up Neal’s love for Emma; Neal inwardly longs for Emma to be able to forgive him, just as Rumple longs for Neal to forgive him. Forgiveness of the father leads the hero on his journey to achieving his goals. If we see Neal start to believe in second chances with his dad, he may be all the more inspired to try for a second chance with Emma and Henry.

Yes, yes, YES! The complexities that are involved with SF understanding, forgiving, and restoring their relationship with each other, are unavoidably wrapped up in each of them understanding, forgiving, and restoring their relationships with their parents. So much so that if they each CAN restore their relationships with their parents, I don’t see how that COULDN’T in turn affect their own relationship with each other. It’s a beautifully layered, interwoven, emotionally complex journey for ALL of them, and I want ALL of those relationships to be resolved in a positive way, because isn’t that what a “happy ending” is all about?

2nd way, its pro CS, and used as mere distraction from the truth that SF is the intended endgame or representation of true love. And if SF is endgame they don’t and will not alert the fandom at all because it would be an uproar. I honestly think SF will happen during the last season or close the last season. Of course I could be wrong, but I am keeping my hope alive! LOL

As much as I have the *grabby hands* for any scrap of a spoiler that will give away SF getting back together, part of me would actually have more hope if they kept that storyline seriously under wraps. The way the CS kiss was spoiled so completely, so far in advance, made it seem like just another plot point in the immediate story, not necessarily an advancement of a grand, over arching theme of the story that’s indicating endgame true love. So the less spoilers I hear about SF, the more hope I actually have. It’s totally backwards logic. 😆

But I think they need to resolve the triangle for sure by the end of the season. And the only way to do that, at least in my view, is let the “non winning” ship be shown why it can’t be endgame. And the only way to do that, short of TLK, is to let Emma try to be with that guy.

For ages, that was how I was sure it would have to play out, but as with any theories for this show, you re-evaluate as you see what actually happens in canon, (eg: seeing the negative turn they’ve taken with Hook at the moment, it makes canon Hookriel less appealing, but my fanon version of Hookriel where he’s not acting like quite such a selfish jerk, still happily lingers on in my brain).

Having seen the way that Emma’s been reacting to Hook, I mean, how many times does she have to say, “Dude, chill, it was just a kiss,” before Hook and everyone watching thinks, “Oh, so it was just a kiss to her.” Taking that into consideration, I think it would be OOC for Emma to change her tune and say, “It was totally more than just a kiss, and I wanna kiss you again and again and again.” I think it’d be more in character for her to stick to her guns and keep putting him in his place. It would also send a better message that no, the overly confident guy doesn’t always have to wear down the girl’s defenses until she gives in, because the girl is the one in charge of who she’s with and who she gives her heart and body to. It would show not only Emma’s strength as a woman who knows herself, but would also serve as character development for Hook when he realises that his time honoured tactics with women maybe aren’t foolproof after all.

So where I used to be of the mind that CS would have to get together and play out in a full sense, I’m now not as convinced. There WILL need to be something in canon that officially, conclusively confirms it if Neal is gonna be her endgame TL, or the fandom debates will never end, but I don’t think that Emma getting with Hook and having the relationship fail need be the thing that proves it.

[lisas]

Thought you guys would like to see this

Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking Stick

[Phee]

Did you all see the Swanfire artwork from today’s FanArt Friday? The Lela/Emma and Han/Baelfire pic won. And I saw a SwanFire emblem on the board as well.

The one that won was so fun! 🙂 The other SF piece that was stuck up on the wall, the person who drew that put it up on tumblr the other day. They did it because SQ and CS both have a b/w “logo” for the ship, so she though SF should have one too. She put it up on redbubble so you can even buy it on a shirt or a sticker if you so desire. http://www.redbubble.com/people/applebombz/works/11093341-ouat-swanfire

[heatherc1275]

I love that some SwanFire artwork won the contest this week! They didn’t give Neal enough facial hair in the SW one though so that bugged me a little bit (my OCD working overdrive, LOL) but it was still outstanding. Good for those folks! 🙂

Once again I don’t have much to add to all the wonderful stuff you guys have all ready written but I am going to say this with regards to artwork, videos, and other creative stuff…..the CSers may have some talented folks in their ship but don’t forget, we have KATIE. 😉

*flying her SwanFire flag high and anxious for Sunday night* 😀

 

#MoreBOOMLessGloom

[Slurpeez]

This is totally random, but I love this GIF of Lana Parrilla as Regina in Disney’s Magic Kingdom. She walks by Gaston flexing his biceps and tells him “Save it.” Makes me think of Regina saying that to Hook. LOL!

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[astrawoid]

Love that gif Slurpeez! So funny.  🙂

Just wanted to say that I agree with so many things you all have said.   And I really want to see Neal’s interaction with Wendy.  I also wonder why Emma isn’t looking at Neal and Wendy talking but it kind of staring at the ground and such. I wonder if all this is too much for her to handle with regards to finding out that Pan wants Henry to die to save himself or all about Neal’s past. I also found it curious that Hook was so far away from everyone else. I do wonder if he had something to do with Wendy getting to NL or something with her brothers.  He had been in NL long enough for their time there to have overlapped.  I guess we’ll see tomorrow!

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

[kfchimera]

I echo what Phee says, that we need to see what they want to do, not how it comes across in fan interviews.  Emma shut down both guys to active romance, but more will happen in terms of Emma’s judgement of their characters.

I thought of J.Mo’s interview as a question of editing.  For example, if J.MO were to say Hook is surprising Emma and impressing her, that is true but really the crux of it is that Emma has such low expectations for him in particular, but also in general due to her very hard life with so few people who have come through for her.  Of all the people on her rescue mission, he has the least personal stake in saving Henry for Henry’s sake, so of course it does say something to her that he’s actively trying to help, as opposed to just looking out for himself.  He doesn’t need to do it.  In Emma’s experience, the “old Hook” wouldn’t have done it, except the “old Hook” was motivated by revenge. The new one is motivated by “his happy ending” that he’s defined as being with her.  If the “new Hook” realized that no matter what he does, she just isn’t interested, would he still help, because he’s truly turned over a new leaf and is just an honorable man content to be her friend, if that’s all he’ll ever be?  We don’t know because basically he refused to accept what she said about only having room for Henry in her heart, and said “Fine, when we get back, then I will win your heart because you will want me.”  He’s being confident and perhaps that’s what Emma finds attractive, given her insecurities she needs someone who will intensely pursue her despite her fears of rejection.

What I don’t like is that it does create that sense that well, she couldn’t possibly reject him and mean it, that it’s always just she’s afraid to love, so he has to fight harder and “no” means “yes” sort of idea.  He can’t take her at her word and that’s bad writing if she is still like this when she starts a romance regardless of whether it is Neal or Hook or whoever.   I want Emma to get to a point where she isn’t being written in that confusing repressed feeling, in what the writers have termed a true Emma fashion, before they put her with either guy.   She needs to be able to be in a position of emotional strength, I guess, not at a weak point where they wear her down until she gives in.  I wouldn’t like it being written that way.

I feel so far SF is not being written that way, with Neal acknowledging her stated need for space to focus on Henry, and that he has no claims on her from the prior relationship.  He’s on the same page that Henry is what matters, but he is still going to be there for her, romance or not.   Hook’s more in the frame of mind that he’ll wait to push the romance until a more opportune time but only since she insists so much, but she cannot avoid him forever.  He is not doing all this for nothing, even if  he is doing it for her.  That sounds romantic if she wants him, but if she doesn’t?  CSers say that would never happen, he really loves her and of course she loves him.  It is that circular logic–what he is doing is ok if it is ok with Emma, and we know it is ok with her because he is doing it.

Time will tell exactly what he meant, what Emma perceived and whether or not it matters. Hook may be showing “good form”, but does he have good substance?  I think Neal is quietly being revealed as having a solid, steady rock type personality which is different than the shifty, unreliable personality Emma thought Neal had as a young thief with her.  Even as she’s seeing all these new and good sides to Hook,  she is also seeing them about Neal but the interviewers aren’t mentioning that in the latest batch.  A week or two ago she said it was complicated, now we just hear selective good things about Hook and selective dismissive things about Neal.  I think it is just off from what is shown in the last episode.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

I would like to hug KFC’s post. All of that!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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