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I don’t know if the writers are saving it, or its just more “who cares, audience already knows” stuff or cut for time. Either way, while I did love the Rumple/pan stuff, I felt like maybe they could have skipped the exposition somewhere to get in a line from Wendy about how Bae gave up everything for them.
Yeah, I hope they DO actually intend to show us that stuff at some point. Maybe they’re saving it for when Neal and Wendy are reunited with John and Michael? You’d think that that dock scene would be a perfect opportunity for a full reunion of Neal and his 3 “siblings” with Emma right there to see it, so I’ll be disappointed if it just gets brushed over again.
I also would have liked a line from Regina to Neal about how she’s glad for Henry’s sake he isn’t dead after all, or SOMETHING.
Guess we’re just supposed to assume that she’s not as anti sharing Henry with the rest of his family as she used to be, but you’re right, it would have been nice to get a line from her about Neal. She does look pretty pissed when Rumple walks off after saying he’s gonna put Henry back in Neal’s arms, but that look is probably more to do with her thinking he’s keeping something from her.
Incidentally, the name #FireThieves won for twitter, not my favorite but hey, at least it is a “hot” name anyway you slice it.
I’m not that keen on it, and I think it’s because it sounds too much like a mashup of two separate words, which means it sounds more like a ship name, rather than the name for a group of fans for a single character.
[adrotate group="5"]Well maybe there is power in names anyway 🙂 I liked how they tied that detail in.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
To me, that is the biggest difference between SF and CS. Neal isn’t looking to get a kiss out of helping Charming like Hook did. Neal’s just doing it because it’s the right thing to do. That’s what real nobility is.
Surely it can’t be accidental that they’ve now had both Hook and Neal being involved with saving Charming’s life, and one did it in large part so he’d benefit from it personally, while the other very clearly stated that you don’t save someone’s life because there’s personal benefit to you, you just do it because it’s the right thing to do. I just went to re-watch that scene, and when Neal says, “no deals, no favours,” Emma actually looks right at Hook. The contrast between each guy’s motivations had to have been intentional, because it’s so stark.
Just watched the episode (I’m from the UK so I have to wait until the next day) and mind is still trying to process it! Firstly how fantastic was Bobby and MRJ! Their relationship is very quickly becoming my favourite on the show! Also I’m so glad to have a break from the awful CaptainSwanFire triangle!
Neal and Wendy reunion was very short but sweet. Though I still wanted Emma to hear about their past and the sacrifice Bae made for the Darlings. I’m still hoping this storyline will play out further down the line, probably when Henry is safe and they are back in SB. But either way Emma was there to witness it!
I LOVED Neal making sure David was saved without Emma having to make a deal with his father. He did it because it was the right thing to do. It was in complete contrast to Hook. Neal never asked for anything in return and he didn’t try to speak out and get praise when David was told there was cure! I’m sure the writers are doing this on purpose.
As for the SF moments, there weren’t that many for my liking however I enjoyed the little moments they had. One thing I love about SF is the subtlety between them. Neal moving to the side to let Emma in, helping her out of the boat and then standing behind her when she using magic. They don’t need big moments or awful romantic speeches to show how much they care about each other, it natural between them.
BTW How awesome was the actor playing Rumple’s father? I loved how his mischievous giggle and mannerisms were identical to Rumple’s when he is the Dark One.
"The little guy saved us." - Neal Cassidy
One thing I love about SF is the subtlety between them. Neal moving to the side to let Emma in then standing behind her when she using magic. They don’t need big moments or awful romantic speeches to show how much they care about each other, it natural between them.
Natural that pretty much sums them up. Emma and Neal are each other heart song they flow together in perfect sync. It almost as if Emma is at peace because her other half is with her. The SwanFireQueen (LOL) family moment just flowed, Neal said We believe in you, Emma followed it up Because we Love you and Regina with More than anything. SwanFireQueen family can work!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
o me, that is the biggest difference between SF and CS. Neal isn’t looking to get a kiss out of helping Charming like Hook did. Neal’s just doing it because it’s the right thing to do. That’s what real nobility is.
Yes! Neal didn’t get Rumple to agree to do it and then turn to Emma and say maybe you should reward me with a kiss.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It occurred to me there is a stirking similarity between Regina’s brief redemption arc in S2 and Hook’s current redemption arc in S3. In both instances, Regina and Hook try to change for someone else, Henry and Emma, respectively. Yet, Regina realized that holding onto someone too tightly doesn’t make that person love you in return, and then she sadly relapsed into her Evil Queen mode when Cora came calling. Part of that is because Regina didn’t have a proper support system, but part of it is also because Regina didn’t want to change for her own sake, but rather as the result of trying to please someone else. I wonder if Hook’s situation is similar to Regina’s in that he’s been trying so hard to impress Emma so that she’d like him in return, but he is still failing to grasp what real honor is. While I think Hook wants to be a man of honor, after 250 years of living by his own pirate code, I fear his views of what honor looks like have been skewed. In my estimation, helping others like Charming or Henry, while still expecting a “reward” like self-gain in the form of favors from Emma, falls short of real honor. Neal, by contrast, is helping Charming and Henry because it’s “the right thing to do” in and of itself.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I agree and Emma definitely glances at Hook then back at Neal. She has been thinking a certain way for years about Neal, but she undid her bad opinion of Hook in a matter of days it would seem. I bet she is realizing how hasty that was. She may still take time to realize who the better man is, but then she may struggle with whether she deserves Neal too. Hook is an easy option but he likely will not challenge her to be better, even if Hook might be motivated to appear better to get her to notice him. Neal is not concerned with good form but substance.
Look at all the subtle things:
Seeing Tink’s snarky versus warm reaction to seeing them again.
Neal’s reaction to her “I choose Henry” riot act versus Hook’s “Well eventually he’ll be safe and you’ll choose me.”
Neal’s reaction to Charming’s life being in danger, versus Hook’s.
The writers are slowly revealing that despite all those fans who want to think Hook is the “unselfish” man and Neal the “selfish” one, it’s actually the other way around. That feels very pride and prejudice to me, actually. Hook is totally giving me Wickham vibes, and Neal the Darcy ones. Silly as parallels can be, I guess we must wait to see what more there is.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Slurpeez I think you’re right. Hook seems to have an motive for everything, a motive that doesn’t match up with the others.
Save Henry? Sure! But only cause it will help me get closer to Emma. (ie: not doing it for the sake of saving a boy)
Save Charming? Sure! But only cause it will help me get closer to Emma (ie: not doing it for the sake of saving a husband, father, prince, good man)
If Hook really wants to be more than a pirate, then he has to prove that he can be for his own sake, not another person. Rumple must prove that he can be a good man on his own, apart from Belle and Nealfire. Regina must prove she can be a good woman without Henry’s love as incentive.
The mark of a good man is not what he does while others are watching and what they might give him, but what he does when there is no one around to see. Last night, Neal continually proved he was a good man: telling Rumple no magic to knock out lost boys (but accepting that someone else could do it in order to save their son) and then telling Rumple that his penchant for deal making was going on hiatus because in this case, helping Charming was the right thing to do: no reward, no applause, no deal making, no smoochies from Emma. Do it, because it’s the right thing to do.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Henry’s heart cannot be taken willingly It is very possible that this is simply because he has the heart of the truest believer, but you WHY him: becuase of his parents. Henry would not be who he is without being the son of Emma and Neal. So maybe, just maybe, his heart is the heart of the truest believe BECAUSE he is also the product of true love. The most powerful magic in the world. Capable of breaking any curse (like say time running out or magic dying?)
Interesting points you make. So, Henry having a heart of gold is symbolic of him being the truest believer, which results from being the product of both dark and light magic, as well as being a believer in Emma’s ability to break the curse. I like your thinking that Henry having a golden heart is also because he’s the product of Emma and Neal’s true love. His heart is enough for PP to channel the powers of NL to become immortal and to make PP fly simply by believing. I think belief and love go hand-in-hand, since Emma first had to believe in order for her to break the curse with true love’s kiss in S1. Emma, who embodies true love, first had to believe that love is strength, which sent out magic shock-waves, repelling Cora. Likewise, Emma had to believe that her true love magic, combined with Regina’s, could save the entire town and her family from the fail-safe.
As we all know, belief has been a key theme in S3, particularly belief in love. Part of the difficulty Snow and Charming faced in 3×7 was that Charming didn’t believe in the power of their love enough to overcome his fear of condemning his wife staying in NL. In 3×1, Mulan said Neal’s belief in love hadn’t been enough to overcome his fear of rejection.
Neal probably still struggles with his own fears, but he’s finally choosing to believe in love, to face the possibility of rejection, in an effort to get his family back home. He’d do anything to help Emma to save their child, purely because he loves them both to the point of being willing to sacrifice himself for them. As Belle said, do the brave thing and bravery will follow. Neal is actively trying to make up for his previous shortcoming by now choosing to let his belief in love overcome fear.
Part of what has been holding Emma back from her happy ending has been her own fears of abandonment. Yet, I saw a glimmer of growth for Emma in 3×9 when she adopted her mother’s hope that there must be a way to get Charming off of the island. Emma said, “Family means being together, all of us…Maybe this is just you rubbing off on me, but I don’t believe that. There’s always a way.” Emma doesn’t want to experience being separated from her parents again, so she’s choosing to let belief that there must be another way off of the island overcome her fears of being without them again. And, guess who’s helping provide that way? Rumple and Neal, who just wants what is best for Emma and her family, by making sure his dad doesn’t name a price for an elixir to heal Charming. This is similar to when Neal let Emma go so she could find her parents and break the curse which had separated them. While Neal not being there for her before might’ve added to her abandonment issues, he’s trying so hard now to help Emma in her belief of letting her family be together.
Just finished my rewatch. The light that shoots out when Henry puts his heart into Pan was the TL rainbow, was it? The same one when Charming woke Snow, or when Emma used her own heart to repel Cora back in 209? (Am I reading too much into this….)
Yes, I noticed that too, and I think it’s a deliberate parallel. The sock-wave that resulted from Henry putting his own heart into PP is very reminiscent to when Emma awoke Henry from the sleeping curse in 1×22 and when Emma’s belief in love sent Cora rippling backward with true love beams shooting out from her chest. The heart of the product of true love, Emma, helped produce the heart of the truest believer. Love and belief go together.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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